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Re:Mystery of sonic weapon attacks in Cuba deepens by Osmium on Friday September 15, 2017 @02:38AM (#15255107)
> And no single, sonic gadget seems to explain such an odd, inconsistent array of physical responses.

Is it possible the sounds heard were illusory, as a result of whatever caused the brain damage? So not a sonic weapon, but some other mechanism of action?

> The blaring, grinding noise jolted the American diplomat from his bed in a Havana hotel. He moved just a few feet, and there was silence.

So something that can be focused at a specific point. If not a sonic weapon, then it has to be electromagnetic?

Talk about bizarre. Whole thing reads like a conspiracy theory. Presuming the reporting is accurate, it's hard not to believe people were specifically targeted with the internet to harm them (rather than the alternative explanation of an espionage technology gone wrong), if the effects were localized on their beds (i.e. a specific physical location where they would be known to be for several hours).

Re:Mystery of sonic weapon attacks in Cuba deepens by userbinator on Friday September 15, 2017 @06:42AM (#15256021)
If it was a beam of microwave radiation as many others here are guessing, then there may also be evidence of damaged electronics in the beam's path.

The power levels required to cause physical injury are definitely detectable with very simple circuitry (RF diode in series with an LED, and a very short antenna), so these people could carry one on their person to determine if it is directed RF, if it happens again.

Ironically, these "attacks" could be easily defeated by literally wearing a tinfoil hat...

Re:Mystery of sonic weapon attacks in Cuba deepens by hultner on Friday September 15, 2017 @08:01AM (#15256363)
From what I've gathered a tinfoil hat would have the reverse effect, acting as a parabolic antenna directing radio waves into the persons head.
Re:Mystery of sonic weapon attacks in Cuba deepens by giardini on Friday September 15, 2017 @02:41PM (#15259575)
Depends on whether the wearer is:

- facing the threat, whereupon the parabolic antenna focusses the energy on a single part of the brain (and the wearer loses, say, her grandmother or perhaps all words ending in "-ed", etc.) or

- facing away from the threat, whereupon the energy is safely dispersed by the foil.

So one could cleverly use the parabolic foil as a one-time direction detector, asking their friend to wear it for a moment and to please turn to their left or right until something happens? Do this twice with two former acquaintances and you can use their positions and last facing angles to triangulate to the location of the offending equipment.

To protect oneself, one should do a complete head foil wrap (the neck might still be a thruway for danger, since the transmitter could be embedded in the floor, so maybe foil soles for your footwear?) Seems the spies would be significantly easier to spot if this were the typical modus operandi.

Re:Mystery of sonic weapon attacks in Cuba deepens by planteen on Friday September 15, 2017 @12:07PM (#15258252)
It would probably work if you made it out of copper foil and grounded it. But then of course you are no longer mobile and the enemy could easily snip the ground wire coming out of your hotel room. ;-)
Re:Mystery of sonic weapon attacks in Cuba deepens by komali2 on Friday September 15, 2017 @02:20PM (#15259401)
Could stick the ground into the ground of an outlet? Barring the risk of missing and cooking your brain in your newfangled electro-cap seems like it'd be difficult to cut the entire hotel's ground.
Re:Mystery of sonic weapon attacks in Cuba deepens by SturgeonsLaw on Friday September 15, 2017 @11:47PM (#15262740)
"Wear a copper cap and plug it into an electrical socket"

See now, this is why they tell people not to take advice from the internet :)

Re:Mystery of sonic weapon attacks in Cuba deepens by nbdev on Friday September 15, 2017 @08:58AM (#15256725)
Maybe a Faraday cage out of foil could work? It's been asked here before: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9660752
Re:Mystery of sonic weapon attacks in Cuba deepens by jacquesm on Friday September 15, 2017 @06:55AM (#15256082)
An LED is it's own diode (hence the 'D'), it'd be nice if they worked in the RF domain :) Wonder if it is possible to do this without the series diode for more sensitivity.
Re:Mystery of sonic weapon attacks in Cuba deepens by kurthr on Friday September 15, 2017 @09:34AM (#15256988)
Standard LEDs will work into the GHz. You also need a return path for the current (diode rectifies in one direction).. preferably a resistor that puts the decay time constant in a visible period (e.g. few ms).

However, you're correct old crystal radios worked like this. Condenser Mics might also work with some rectification.

Re:Mystery of sonic weapon attacks in Cuba deepens by FreeFull on Friday September 15, 2017 @03:14AM (#15255261)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_auditory_effect It's definitely possible for electromagnetic radiation to cause audible sounds. The thing that's confusing me is what sort of motive one would have to do this.
Re:Mystery of sonic weapon attacks in Cuba deepens by rotrux on Friday September 15, 2017 @12:50PM (#15258610)
Several small devices with low-powered microwave-beams might be able to do interesting things at beam-intersection points: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&c...
Re:Mystery of sonic weapon attacks in Cuba deepens by cat199 on Saturday September 16, 2017 @06:07PM (#15267023)
though I'm very weary of the russian boogeyman theory which seems to be behind everything these days..

there is actually a case here assuming russian-cuban ties are still strong after the USSR - e.g. if USA is trying to clean up shop entirely, it could be a warning that such activity will not be taken lightly..

Re:Mystery of sonic weapon attacks in Cuba deepens by baq on Friday September 15, 2017 @06:19AM (#15255942)
those passive bugs need power to operate
Re:Mystery of sonic weapon attacks in Cuba deepens by SolarNet on Friday September 15, 2017 @03:29AM (#15255325)
As another person posted. It's probably a surveillance attempt gone awry.
Re:Mystery of sonic weapon attacks in Cuba deepens by alain_gilbert on Friday September 15, 2017 @03:30AM (#15255332)
I know it sounds crazy, but my refrigerator beam some whistle alike sounds. If I move my head like one foot beside I don't hear the sound, but one foot on the other side and I hear the whistle.

Edit: I have a video of it, it's not as clear in the video as it is in real life though. You have to put volume at 100%.(https://www.dropbox.com/s/7h7n46kzqarzt0l/fridge.mp4?dl=0)

Re:Mystery of sonic weapon attacks in Cuba deepens by IshKebab on Friday September 15, 2017 @04:19AM (#15255527)
That's just a normal high frequency standing wave. You're moving your head in and out of the nodes (where the waves destructively interfere).
Re:Mystery of sonic weapon attacks in Cuba deepens by wruza on Friday September 15, 2017 @05:58AM (#15255875)
This happened to me too when I lived in a house near to local boiling station. Once the same truck parked with its engine on near the station (service or supply, maybe), my room had many points where you can easily get panic or stress attacks. It was probably focused infrasound, not high-pitch, but few hours after, especially in sleep, I began to feel it even without that truck. Self-deception is very inductive thing.

I think that the article describes the aftereffects of something like geological activity, so while its roots are real, the consequences are the product of "tired" minds. I heard also that if doctors allow their clients to speak about symptoms in waiting room, then many of them start having these "group symptoms" and diagnostics may go very wrong way.

Re:Mystery of sonic weapon attacks in Cuba deepens by jrochkind1 on Friday September 15, 2017 @09:51AM (#15257114)
what's a boiling station? google isn't helping me.
Re:Mystery of sonic weapon attacks in Cuba deepens by wruza on Friday September 15, 2017 @11:32AM (#15257954)
I'm not native speaker, sorry. It is a building where city water is heated and piped further into nearby houses. Heat loss may be high in cold areas afaik (due to old/bad city pipe isolation), so water is heated near living blocks instead.

Like this one (hot link): https://i.sakh.com/info/p/photos/13/131076/f58f5390937072.jp...

Re:Mystery of sonic weapon attacks in Cuba deepens by jrochkind1 on Friday September 15, 2017 @03:48PM (#15260205)
Interesting, thanks! In the U.S., I don't think we have hot water delivery at all, water comes to your buildings cold and is heated individually by water heaters in the buildings where it will be used. Although now I wonder what keeps our delivery pipes from freezing in the winter; maybe it just doesn't get cold enough here for them to, when the pipes are underground.
Re:Mystery of sonic weapon attacks in Cuba deepens by mncharity on Friday September 15, 2017 @06:12PM (#15261217)
Re:Mystery of sonic weapon attacks in Cuba deepens by robocat on Saturday September 16, 2017 @04:42AM (#15263633)
Called a "boiler house" (in New Zealand).
Re:Mystery of sonic weapon attacks in Cuba deepens by mynewtb on Friday September 15, 2017 @07:19AM (#15256164)
Is it possible to measure and map those places with affordable equipment?
Re:Mystery of sonic weapon attacks in Cuba deepens by olivierkaisin on Friday September 15, 2017 @06:24AM (#15255958)
It seems what happens here with your fridge is only a sign of acoustic resonance
Re:Mystery of sonic weapon attacks in Cuba deepens by posterboy on Sunday September 17, 2017 @12:07PM (#15270246)
that's due to interference and resonance of plain old soundwaves, I guess.
Re:Mystery of sonic weapon attacks in Cuba deepens by snarfy on Friday September 15, 2017 @07:21AM (#15256171)
This was my thought as well. The sound is a red herring. A large enough EM blast would polarize anything in that room that could work like an antenna e.g. keys, paper clips, anything. Add a magnet near by or even another paper clip at a different polarization angle and you get vibration.
Re:Mystery of sonic weapon attacks in Cuba deepens by Iv on Friday September 15, 2017 @06:21AM (#15255945)
If I had some R&D spying budgets and no health regulation concerns, I would try to see how I could make remote RMI or tomography work, possibly through walls.

But I suspect something more mudane: a microwave beam, intended at powering a listening device seems more likely.

The weird thing is why the Cuban do not switch it off now that it has been detected.

Re:Mystery of sonic weapon attacks in Cuba deepens by kybernetikos on Friday September 15, 2017 @03:53PM (#15260234)
It seems more likely that it is someone who wishes to harm US/Cuba diplomatic relations rather than the Cuban government.
Re:Mystery of sonic weapon attacks in Cuba deepens by c3534l on Friday September 15, 2017 @03:09PM (#15259874)
> a result of whatever caused the brain damage

That seems to be the obvious explanation to me. They were exposed to some sort of chemical which caused a stroke or seizure or migraine or whatever. Hell, there's no reason to think it couldn't have been a disease.

Re:Mystery of sonic weapon attacks in Cuba deepens by neuralzen on Friday September 15, 2017 @11:56PM (#15262770)
There is a sound device that acts like a laser, where ultrasonic waves are created such that their interference pattern interact at a specific location, to drop into audible sound at that location only. Perhaps it was something similar, but meant to 'tap a person's ear drum vibrations to hear what they hear, and something went wrong? Just speculation...

http://www.soundlazer.com/what-is-a-parametric-speaker/

Re:Mystery of sonic weapon attacks in Cuba deepens by TazeTSchnitzel on Friday September 15, 2017 @06:26AM (#15255965)
> Is it possible the sounds heard were illusory, as a result of whatever caused the brain damage?

I thought of that too. Possible PTSD among many of the affected?

Re:Mystery of sonic weapon attacks in Cuba deepens by digikata on Friday September 15, 2017 @02:03PM (#15259280)
There are cases of tooth fillings causing sound/pain in em fields.

https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/3638/is-it-poss...