Re:Face ID, Touch ID, No ID, PINs and Pragmatic Security
by kibwen on Thursday September 14, 2017 @08:52AM
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> TouchID was removed because it took up space on the front of the phone and Apple wanted the screen to be bigger. There's no deeper reason than that.
The Pixel handset has the fingerprint sensor on the back of the phone. It appears to work quite well. Much of this needless outrage could be obviated by allowing multiple simultaneous biometrics for auth; while taking the phone out of your pocket, place your finger on the sensor to initiate FaceID.
Re:Face ID, Touch ID, No ID, PINs and Pragmatic Security
by colejohnson66 on Thursday September 14, 2017 @02:55PM
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> The Pixel handset has the fingerprint sensor on the back of the phone.
How would I use my phone on a desk without lifting it up? I can do that with TouchID, but if the sensor is on the back, I can’t.
Re:Face ID, Touch ID, No ID, PINs and Pragmatic Security
by kibwen on Thursday September 14, 2017 @04:01PM
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I confess, never in my years of phone ownership have I had that specific use case, or considered that it might be important for others. Do you find yourself doing that often? If so, can I ask what for?
Re:Face ID, Touch ID, No ID, PINs and Pragmatic Security
by CocaKoala on Thursday September 14, 2017 @04:34PM
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You can't really do that with the face id either, unless you loom over your desk in an awkward way.
Re:Face ID, Touch ID, No ID, PINs and Pragmatic Security
by colejohnson66 on Thursday September 14, 2017 @04:55PM
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From their promo video of iPhone X, FaceID works at angles over 45° (see the swimmer portion)
Re:Face ID, Touch ID, No ID, PINs and Pragmatic Security
by eckza on Thursday September 14, 2017 @09:30AM
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> multiple simultaneous biometrics
That's very un-Apple.
Re:Face ID, Touch ID, No ID, PINs and Pragmatic Security
by Cthulhu_ on Thursday September 14, 2017 @07:17AM
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Second, facial features are more unique than fingerprints - according to apple's own presentation, there's a 1 in 10.000 chance that prints from different people would unlock it. With face ID, this becomes 1 in 50.000 (iirc).
Re:Face ID, Touch ID, No ID, PINs and Pragmatic Security
by kbutler on Thursday September 14, 2017 @07:45AM
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Unless you have a twin.
Twins have different fingerprints.
Re:Face ID, Touch ID, No ID, PINs and Pragmatic Security
by kevincennis on Thursday September 14, 2017 @07:35AM
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I believe they said 1:50,000 and 1:1,000,000.
Re:Face ID, Touch ID, No ID, PINs and Pragmatic Security
by jmreid on Thursday September 14, 2017 @09:13AM
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He's not correcting the use of a period, he's correcting the numbers themselves. 1:50,000 and 1:1,000,000 vs 1:10,000 and 1:50,000
Re:Face ID, Touch ID, No ID, PINs and Pragmatic Security
by istolemomsthumb on Thursday September 14, 2017 @07:54AM
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TouchID is trivially defeated by a 6-year-old:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2016/12/28/girl-u...
Re:Face ID, Touch ID, No ID, PINs and Pragmatic Security
by MBCook on Thursday September 14, 2017 @09:40AM
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Did you read the article? Troy Hunt addressed that.
Re:Face ID, Touch ID, No ID, PINs and Pragmatic Security
by colejohnson66 on Thursday September 14, 2017 @02:56PM
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All the more reason for FaceID
> Will Apple continue progress and built in PinchID - a tiny needle that sting you to test if you are you based on your blood/DNA?
I struggle to believe you when you say that's a serious question...
> Im also concerned about the data Apple will collect.
The FaceID data will be stored in the secure enclave locally on your phone, just like TouchID data was. Apple will not collect it.