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Re:Wal-Mart Offers Linux as Windows Alternative (2003) by ekianjo on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @12:20AM (#15235513)
> Gives both power users

Oh really? No package manager included (need brew for that), removal of most GNU tools, nothing open sourced about the OS, "good software" is hardly relevant when you see the breakage they cause when moving users to the newest version... Additionally the desktop style is hideous and if you don't like it, you can't change it. Nothing to do with a proper "Linux desktop".

And Macs are expensive. That's not what most users want.

Re:Wal-Mart Offers Linux as Windows Alternative (2003) by EpicEng on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @10:21AM (#15238520)
> No package manager included (need brew for that)

So power users install it

> removal of most GNU tools

installed after you install brew

> nothing open sourced about the OS

No one really cares. Really, no one cares.

> And Macs are expensive. That's not what most users want.

Amazing that they sell so many of them then. Of course people don't 'want' expensive, but I have yet to find a laptop built with the same quality as a mac (trackpad is a biggie for me), and people are ok paying for status symbols.

Linux isn't there for personal use. I use Linux for various dev tasks, but it's painful, and when you run into a problem it's too quick to throw you to the terminal for a solution. That alone means most people will never use Linux.

Re:Wal-Mart Offers Linux as Windows Alternative (2003) by ekianjo on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @09:05PM (#15244173)
> Of course people don't 'want' expensive, but I have yet to find a laptop built with the same quality as a mac (trackpad is a biggie for me), and people are ok paying for status symbols.

They sell well among their target demographics, which is people who don't have strict budgets along with people who like showing off. I know, I have people like that in my own family and among my friends. I don't mind them, but assuming that it's for everyone is just misleading and false. Working on a Mac from scratch if you come from other experiences is just awkward and require a lot of investment.

> Linux isn't there for personal use.

It's just because you lack familiarity with it. If you had spent 10 years using Linux, you'd find Windows and Mac "not there for desktop use" either. What does desktop use mean anyway? I do everything on my Linux desktop, including video editing, photo editing, audio editing, and as well as all typical other stuff like browsing, watching movies and consuming content. What's "not there yet?" I have converted several folks to Linux and my amount of tech support for them has dropped to about one question per year, compared to the numerous issues they had with Windows. That's not a Mac vs Linux comparison, but if you assume Windows is not a bad desktop experience, then Linux is certainly at an even better level. At the same hardware your computer will be way more snappy with a Linux distro than anything else you throw at it, and don't get me started on customization, where Mac and Windows just completely lose.

Re:Wal-Mart Offers Linux as Windows Alternative (2003) by H1Supreme on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @08:36AM (#15237662)
Yep. I put Ubuntu on my old Macbook for this reason. Was tired of the "Linux like" environment of Mac OS for my software work.
Re:Wal-Mart Offers Linux as Windows Alternative (2003) by cududa on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @12:32AM (#15235564)
Given that there are more MacOS than Linux machines, I'd say that is exactly what users want:

(And don't get into some "But Android is linux" nonsense)

Re:Wal-Mart Offers Linux as Windows Alternative (2003) by vacri on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @04:40AM (#15236528)
With the exception of the desktop space, from tiny embedded machines to the world's top supercomputers, linux installs dwarf any other OS. If you want to compare 'macos' and 'linux' machines at that level, macos is just a blip.
Re:Wal-Mart Offers Linux as Windows Alternative (2003) by ekianjo on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @06:27AM (#15236992)
Linux is hardly marketed by any single company with billions of dollars in cash, so I'd say the comparison is completely moot.
Re:Wal-Mart Offers Linux as Windows Alternative (2003) by jhoechtl on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @01:26AM (#15235781)
You mix marketing induced needs with rationality
Re:Wal-Mart Offers Linux as Windows Alternative (2003) by samoright on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @04:37AM (#15236512)
> ... removal of most GNU tools ...

It is not that GNU tools were removed. It is more like GNU tools were not added. There is no reason too. Mac provides its own POSIX compliant tools. If you prefer GNU tools, well there is GNU/Linux. If you don't mind more traditional POSIX compliant tools, then macOS is a good option, as are FreeBSD, OpenBSD, etc.

Re:Wal-Mart Offers Linux as Windows Alternative (2003) by ekianjo on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @06:30AM (#15237001)
> Mac provides its own POSIX compliant tools. If you prefer GNU tools, well there is GNU/Linux.

The point is that MacOS does not really give you much choice (until you start hacking around with homebrew).

Re:Wal-Mart Offers Linux as Windows Alternative (2003) by rblatz on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @02:00AM (#15235911)
GNU is Not Unix! Nor is it Linux. MacOS was a Unix, not sure if it technically still is, but if not it has Unix roots. And it is simple, the vast majority of users don't need a CLI package manager, they get the App Store and downloading from the web. If you want one there are package managers. Also Darwin is open source, it isn't developed in the open but they do release sources last time I checked.
Re:Wal-Mart Offers Linux as Windows Alternative (2003) by int_19h on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @03:07AM (#15236144)
"The vast majority of users ..." argument is just another way to rephrase "it's not for power users". CLI utilities and development tools is exactly where a proper package manager comes in handy.
Re:Wal-Mart Offers Linux as Windows Alternative (2003) by samoright on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @04:34AM (#15236508)