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Re:iPhone X by addicted on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @09:58PM (#15234878)
Steve Jobs talked about this when he returned to Apple. He basically discussed how he would work at his home Mac and then come to the office and login and suddenly with the internet and networking the work Mac would be exactly the same.

I think the ideal should basically be that. You can pick up a phone, any phone (limited to iPhones for Aplle), login to your iCloud account and suddenly it's your phone, indistinguishable from the other phone thst was yours, outside maybe unavailable hardware features.

That's one of the great things about web apps. I can log into Gmail anywhere and it's the same thing. I haven't used it, but I believe this is the promise ChromeOS delivers.

Re:iPhone X by mattowen_uk on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @04:26AM (#15236481)
>> how he would work at his home Mac and then come to the office and login and suddenly with the internet and networking the work Mac would be exactly the same

I don't think this is the right end game. Now that almost every adult in the 1st world has a mobile phone in their pocket that is more than capable of being a desktop PC, the solution we should be heading for is universal docking stations (preferably) wireless. So that wherever you are, there's a large screen+keyboard+mouse (or the phone screen can be a trackpad) and your phone just connects to those, be it at work, or home, or in a hotel.

Your main machine is in your pocket; a lot of non-techie people don't even have any other personal computing device (laptop/desktop etc.).

Personally tho, I like having a division between my work machine(s), and my home machine(s).

Re:iPhone X by KozmoNau7 on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @05:33AM (#15236748)
I would like to have a docking station that could turn my phone into a desktop-like device, with a proper mouse, keyboard and monitor(s). I don't need much, a full-featured web browser, Spotify and a handful of other straight-forward apps are all I really need, but I wouldn't mind a fully-fledged Linux environment.

If I could also get a laptop-like dock, my phone would take care of ~95% of all my computing needs.

Strictly personal, though. I envision simply having a different phone for for work, for privacy reasons. But plugging it into the same docks.

Re:iPhone X by bhauer on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @11:19AM (#15239057)
You've more or less described Microsoft's Continuum [1]. Even down to the "handful of apps." Continuum as it exists today runs UWP applications only.

Rumors have been circulating for years about some future Microsoft mobile device. The latest rumors suggest a Windows 10 ARM device with x86 emulation and their new CShell "responsive" UI. If that rumor pans out, it's possible Windows 10 ARM may also include the Windows Linux subsystem, getting you closer to your ideal.

[1] http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/Continuum

Re:iPhone X by KozmoNau7 on Thursday September 14, 2017 @04:53AM (#15246083)
Sure, but that would tie me to Windows 10, and I'm not exactly interested in that.
Re:iPhone X by thecrazyone on Thursday September 14, 2017 @08:18AM (#15247178)
well the manufacturers would tie into their system. If apple implemented this, you would be tied to their ecosystem, no? Don't see a way around that :)
Re:iPhone X by KozmoNau7 on Thursday September 14, 2017 @08:49AM (#15247395)
I definitely see a way around it. An open standard, based on USB-C 3.x would be ideal.

The docking station for my Thinkpad doesn't lock me into a specific software ecosystem. I see no reason why a hypothetical phone dock should be any different.

Re:iPhone X by lostlogin on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @05:47AM (#15236809)
That's close to the day phone/night phone thing so causes instant revulsion for me.
Re:iPhone X by KozmoNau7 on Thursday September 14, 2017 @04:52AM (#15246077)
I have a work phone provided to me for free, which I am allowed to use privately, as much as I want, no usage caps whatsoever. I am eligible to upgrade it every 2-3 years to theoretically any brand new Android or iPhone.

And yet, I insist on having a completely separate phone of my own, on my own subscription, completely separate from work.

The work phone is business-only, I have my company email, all of the apps we offer, and the ones we use internally, and that's it.

The personal phone has all the Facebook and messaging and other funtime apps that I use personally, and nothing work-related whatsoever.

The reason for all of this is that I used to have a boss who would call or email at 23:00 and ask me to do something, expecting it to be ready at 09:00 next morning, at the very latest. Because I'm on a "no maximum work hours" contract, he expected me to put in hours basically whenever he wanted (he was later fired, big surprise).

This is why I have two phones, and why my work phone now gets turned off when I leave work, and turned back on when I arrive in the morning. My personal life is not to be mixed with my work.

I fully understand the revulsion towards the day phone/night phone thing. My setup is not a case of handing over, it's a matter of keeping my personal life private.

Re:iPhone X by keithpeter on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @08:08AM (#15237471)
Parent and grandparent posters: how about a sandboxed part of storage under employer's admin with employer's data? Your phone, they get to manage a small protected portion. VOIP for corporate voice calls?
Re:iPhone X by philjohn on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @09:06AM (#15237843)
That's what BlackBerry did with BB10 to support BYOD users.
Re:iPhone X by Jaruzel on Thursday September 14, 2017 @02:40AM (#15245460)
And the new BlackBerry KeyONE does it too, even though it runs Android.

We have two of them in this household, they are VERY nice phones.

Re:iPhone X by trey-jones on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @09:24AM (#15237970)
I was a backer for the never-got-off-the-ground Ubuntu Edge apparently back in 2013.

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge#/

I also like a division between home and work devices, but I largely accomplish that by simply having a Personal and Work account with Google.

More appealing to me is the idea of being able to have my Work computer with me all the time if needed, without carrying a special bag, etc. I like the vision of Universal Docking Stations, where you go the coffee shop and just sit down and start typing on your own device, with a full sized screen and keyboard, which you carry in your pocket.

Re:iPhone X by snyp on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @11:06PM (#15235192)
This is exactly what the hand off feature in iOS is about, granted it does not work across all apps but they have done some great improvements with iOS 11 and hopefully will keep improving upon it in the future
Re:iPhone X by copperx on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @10:39PM (#15235090)
Isn't this the decades-old idea of Plan9?
Re:iPhone X by catwell on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @04:59AM (#15236612)
It is certainly something Rob Pike wants. Read the "What would be your dream setup?" paragraph here: https://usesthis.com/interviews/rob.pike/

A lot of people have had that idea over the years (remember John Gage's "the network is the computer"?) You could even argue The Shockwave Rider, a 1975 Science Fiction novel, described it pretty well.

I don't know about the Steve Jobs quote though, do you have a link?

Re:iPhone X by rwmj on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @06:59AM (#15237103)
The first time I saw this implemented was in 1996 at Olivetti Research Lab in Cambridge UK. Everyone had an IR badge, and when you walked up to a machine it recognized you and popped up your desktop (no login, and it was exactly how you left it).

Technology-wise it was a bit of a dead end. However the underlying protocol was VNC which they invented for this purpose.

Re:iPhone X by Sharlin on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @04:49AM (#15236561)
It's the decades-old idea of thin clients.
Re:iPhone X by TheOtherHobbes on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @05:38AM (#15236772)
No, it's not, because the CPU is still local, so you're not just using your device as a terminal to a remote server.

We don't have the infrastructure for this yet.

The absolutely open version - even if it was just storing apps centrally and downloading them on demand, and not downloading everything - would still require something like 100 times more bandwidth than we have now to be usably fast.

A workable version, with local storage providing device accounts for a small number of users, would still need more local storage than we have now, and storage isn't cheap enough yet to make this fully affordable.

256/512GB devices could possibly handle family needs, just about, but would struggle at work.

Re:iPhone X by majewsky on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @07:37AM (#15237270)
IMO network bandwidth and latency is a bigger problem than storage. Right now, I can stream [1] HD movies from my homeserver to wherever my notebook is right now, because the upstream at home is wide enough (6 megabits per sec). But that application only works because it has quite predictable bandwidth requirements and can cope with latency quite well. Many other applications would be horribly slow if every file access had a second-long roundtrip.

[1] via sshfs

Re:iPhone X by Someone on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @02:56AM (#15236093)
IIRC, it's what he had at NeXT (in the office and on the machine(s) in his home). Plan 9 may have existed at AT&T, but first shipped in 1992 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_9_from_Bell_Labs#History)
Re:iPhone X by socceroos on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @01:24AM (#15235769)
I see distributed computing as a slightly lower-level concept in the more generalised field of ubiquitous computing.
Re:iPhone X by _jal on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @10:32AM (#15238625)
How often do you change phones? I get it more with the model of desktop computers, maybe even laptops. But phones? Why? Is this a vision of a world where phones are treated like umbrellas?

In any case, my desires are for the opposite. If you don't own the storage substrate, you don't own the data on it, and I prefer to own my data. I have an iPhone, but don't use iCloud, except for syncing a couple specific things.

I remember the first release, and remember the NeXT model of "home directories on an optical drive". I was really, really hoping at the time that the iPhone would be that home directory, portable between machines. Now, I join the chorus of folks who think I should just be able to plug a monitor and keyboard into my phone. But that also needs to come with a viable computing environment, which for me means a unix shell and hardware control. Which is why I'm bolting for an open phone, as soon one actually gets off the ground.

Re:iPhone X by torstenvl on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @07:07AM (#15237144)
It seems obvious to me that Apple is developing the technology that will enable this. Handoff, continuity, iCloud, Apple Watch authentication/unlock... step by step, we're getting to a point where your user identity and your current work all travel with you.
Re:iPhone X by mattacular on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @10:41PM (#15235096)
With ChromeOS you can, if you wanted to, sync all of your profile/settings to Google, "power wash" (completely clean) the machine upon shutting down. Then when you reboot syncing everything back to the machine happens upon entering your credentials.
Re:iPhone X by agumonkey on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @06:54AM (#15237089)
This was looong ago and in the context of desktops which weren't as numerous and obiquitous as phones. Now Apple probably wants you to have 3, 4 of their devices and not 1 per room that can easily be shared.
Re:iPhone X by AlphaSite on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @10:06AM (#15238358)
I think a laptop is what he was really after, 1 computer that’s the same everywhere you are.