Re:Massive genetic study shows how humans are evolving
by azernik on Sunday September 10, 2017 @04:26PM
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Alzheimer's in particular does not reduce lifespan all that much; rather, it increases the resources that children and grandchildren need to use to care for the parent. So selection against Alzheimer's would presumably (we have very little evidence for any of this) be even stronger than selection against traits that, say, killed at 70.
Re:Massive genetic study shows how humans are evolving
by saimiam on Sunday September 10, 2017 @06:16PM
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Is actually caring for an Alzheimer's stricken relative a new phenomenon? Could it be that a hundred years ago, a chronically ill, continually deteriorating relative was just left in a room to waste away?
Re:Massive genetic study shows how humans are evolving
by azernik on Sunday September 10, 2017 @06:51PM
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Professional Alzheimer's care is new;, without good professional work you're going to get sores and muscle atrophy and all kinds of other complications that can be fatal at old age. We've gotten very good at dealing with those, but not at actually curing the underlying disease. (Speaking from family experience.)
Maybe even more importantly, though, 100 years ago other, unrelated diseases of old age were likely to get you well before Alzheimer's really got bad.
Re:Massive genetic study shows how humans are evolving
by skookumchuck on Monday September 11, 2017 @05:31PM
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Even today, people rarely die from Alzheimer's, because something else gets them first, as Alzheimer's is a very slowly progressing disease.
Re:Massive genetic study shows how humans are evolving
by mannykannot on Sunday September 10, 2017 @04:18PM
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Increasing longevity to the point of incapacity may be a consequence of improved health care, rather than biological adaptation.
Re:Massive genetic study shows how humans are evolving
by cpeterso on Sunday September 10, 2017 @05:53PM
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And while average life expectancy has been increasing for a long time (thanks to improved health care), the maximum life span has not. The oldest living people are still "only" about 115-122 years old.
Re:Massive genetic study shows how humans are evolving
by dmix on Sunday September 10, 2017 @07:42PM
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Is this because "improved health care" only makes typical illnesses treatable/prentable whereas maximum lifespan (ie, the deteriation of cells/organs/etc with age) are not being focused on? Or is it because they are very challenging things to extend?
Re:Massive genetic study shows how humans are evolving
by skookumchuck on Sunday September 10, 2017 @04:46PM
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Primitive societies are known to abandon old people to die when they become a burden rather than an asset.
Re:Massive genetic study shows how humans are evolving
by interfixus on Sunday September 10, 2017 @09:34PM
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An ugly, indisputable fact. Saddening to see you downvoted.
Re:Massive genetic study shows how humans are evolving
by ch4s3 on Sunday September 10, 2017 @05:51PM
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some
Re:Massive genetic study shows how humans are evolving
by skookumchuck on Sunday September 10, 2017 @06:24PM
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What's a nomadic tribe to do with someone who can no longer keep up? When there is insufficient food (commonplace in older societies) who is going to get the food?
When resources get scarce, there are a lot of ugly realities.
Re:Massive genetic study shows how humans are evolving
by dredmorbius on Sunday September 10, 2017 @07:07PM
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You might do better to provide citations over argument.
Re:Massive genetic study shows how humans are evolving
by skookumchuck on Sunday September 10, 2017 @09:02PM
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"Traditional nomadic tribes often end up abandoning their elderly during their unrelenting travels. The choice for the healthy and young is to do this or carry the old and infirm on their backs — along with children, weapons and necessities — through perilous territory. Also prone to sacrificing their elderly are societies that suffer periodic famines. Citing a dramatic example, Diamond said Paraguay’s Aché Indians assign certain young men the task of killing old people with an ax or spear, or burying them alive."
http://newsroom.ucla.edu/stories/jared-diamond-on-aging-1505...
Re:Massive genetic study shows how humans are evolving
by dredmorbius on Sunday September 10, 2017 @09:30PM
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Thanks, exactly.
At that age, the effect should be reversed as people often need care themselves rather than caring for grandchildren (who may be adults by that time anyway)
I suppose the "grandmother theory" originally only explained why women live beyond menopause, not into their 70s, 80s or 90s.