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Re:Death of NFL “inevitable” as middle class abandons the game by aerodog on Saturday September 09, 2017 @02:43PM (#15208528)
"And you don't need to watch multi-millionaire football stars, pampered for most of their lives, ostentatiously disrespecting the American national anthem, kneeling, their raised fists in the air."

author's an a-hole

Re:Death of NFL “inevitable” as middle class abandons the game by zzalpha on Saturday September 09, 2017 @03:34PM (#15208787)
Please refrain from these snide, low effort comments. Ad hominem attacks do nothing to encourage discussion. The author either has a point or he doesn't. Whether or not he's an "a-hole" is entirely irrelevant.
Re:Death of NFL “inevitable” as middle class abandons the game by NuDinNou on Saturday September 09, 2017 @03:01PM (#15208616)
Why? He is right. What that dude did was disrespectful to the American national anthem.
Re:Death of NFL “inevitable” as middle class abandons the game by krapp on Saturday September 09, 2017 @03:04PM (#15208628)
So? The US isn't a fascist dictatorship. There's nothing wrong with disrespecting the national anthem, it's just propaganda. Free speech is a more important American value than blind patriotism.
Re:Death of NFL “inevitable” as middle class abandons the game by andars on Saturday September 09, 2017 @03:11PM (#15208663)
> The US isn't a fascist dictatorship.

Which is why he didn't go to jail.

> There's nothing wrong with dis respecting the national anthem

Sure, it isn't illegal, but that doesn't mean individuals can't be offended by it. To many, the national anthem carries significant meaning.

Re:Death of NFL “inevitable” as middle class abandons the game by throwaway2016a on Saturday September 09, 2017 @03:53PM (#15208876)
> Sure, it isn't illegal, but that doesn't mean individuals can't be offended by it. To many, the national anthem carries significant meaning.

There is lies the whole point of doing it. If it was meaningless to people it would have no impact as protest.

Re:Death of NFL “inevitable” as middle class abandons the game by swang on Saturday September 09, 2017 @03:03PM (#15208622)
he disrespected the national anthem?
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Re:Death of NFL “inevitable” as middle class abandons the game by johnrichardson on Saturday September 09, 2017 @03:18PM (#15208699)
It's actually spelled 'raycis.'

And the reason why Kaepernick's kneeling is silly is that black-on-black crime is orders of magnitude more of a problem for the black community than police shootings of young black males. Black males committed 52% of all homicides between 1980-2013, despite comprising only ~6% of the population. That's almost an 8.5x per capita murder multiplier.

There's also evidence that in lethal force situations, police are more likely to shoot whites than blacks (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/13/why-a...). In less-than-lethal situations, it may be the case the minorities are treated more roughly, but that's not what BLM is about. It's a movement which is confused about statistics, and which I suspect is sublimating a more generalized anger about the West and a relatively low position on civilization's status hierarchy into an emotionally charged topic that they think has good optics.

I expect this post will get me banned, because applying logic to identity politics is taboo in 2017. #JamesDamoreMatters

Re:Death of NFL “inevitable” as middle class abandons the game by pow_pp_-1_v on Saturday September 09, 2017 @04:04PM (#15208913)
> There's also evidence that in lethal force situations, police are more likely to shoot whites than blacks (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/13/why-a...)

From the abstract of the paper referenced in article: ...On the most extreme use of force – officer-involved shootings – we find no racial differences in either the raw data or when contextual factors are taken into account.

Re:Death of NFL “inevitable” as middle class abandons the game by feld on Friday September 15, 2017 @08:18AM (#15256463)
The problems you complain about in the African American communities can be traced back nearly 100 years to when we created these African American communities.

The Reconstruction era following the Civil War saw African Americans distribute themselves across the entire country. We have census data to prove this. They lived and worked in every county and nearly every city. They owned homes and they worked hard for their living. Now 15 years earlier whites were pissed off at the Chinese for taking railroad jobs so they violently expelled them from their homes and jobs causing them to aggregate into cities which now have Chinatowns. This was considered socially acceptable because they were mostly illegal immigrants.

After those 15 years had passed whites started blaming blacks for their problems, the economy, etc and with the rise of the KKK into powerful cultural force and worming their way into politics unchallenged by the extremely racist Presidents Harding and Coolidge, the whites were emboldened to do the same to blacks. The whites expelled them from entire classes of jobs. They were lynched, their houses burned, and they were run out of towns. Municipalities created ordinances to prevent any blacks from living there to "protect their culture and way of life". The African Americans congregated in large cities encompassing entire neighborhoods/districts and that's where they stayed because whites were too afraid to go on their violent rampages where they may be outnumbered. This behavior however was largely absent in the old South.

In 1921 in Tulsa OK whites went on a rampage to eradicate blacks from their city. They even took airplanes and dropped dynamite on their communities. It's the only recorded air raid on lower 48 US soil. The whites failed as there were too many. The black community persisted there and still exists.

Whites caused this problem. They forced them to huddle together in ghettos. They kept them poor by taking away from their jobs and creating unions that wouldn't permit their membership (fun fact: blacks were allowed in the NFL until 1933).

This is the result 100 years later. Stop rewriting history. Read a book.

Re:Death of NFL “inevitable” as middle class abandons the game by djsumdog on Sunday September 10, 2017 @09:26AM (#15212123)
That's also really all specific to American culture. Look at black crime in other high income nations like Australia or Western European nations and you don't see anywhere near the same numbers.

It's more of a problem with American culture in general, possibly simply a problem with the poor .. and systematic racism has pushed/kept black people in the poor and lower classes.

Re:Death of NFL “inevitable” as middle class abandons the game by DamnYuppie on Saturday September 09, 2017 @03:33PM (#15208784)
It appears that HN does not like to cloud their identity politics with data or reasons that aren't aligned with theirs.