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Re:With Android Oreo, Google is introducing Linux kernel req... by unethical_ban on Monday September 04, 2017 @12:26PM (#15169222)
First of all, I disagree flatly that Linux is hard to use and troubleshoot. Google "blah ubuntu" or "blah fedora" and you get an answer. This isn't 2002.

Second, systemd troubleshooting and RDP servers are not common uses for Grandma, so even if valid points were made, most users aren't affected.

Re:With Android Oreo, Google is introducing Linux kernel req... by rayiner on Monday September 04, 2017 @05:44PM (#15171041)
The point is that the ecosystem is so fragmented now that Googling often doesn’t get you useful answers. You find an article that applies to some version of Ubuntu, but you’re on Fedora, or you’re on a different version of Ubuntu that’s made major breaking changes in basic components (systems, Mir/Wayland/etc). At least back in 2002 most everything used SysV Init and Xorg.

As to your other point—grandma has an iPad. To the extent Linux has relevance in the desktop, it’s for CS students, people setting up a lab of workstations, etc. Simple stuff like setting up a Remote Desktop is squarely within that use-case.

Re:With Android Oreo, Google is introducing Linux kernel req... by danieldk on Monday September 04, 2017 @02:01PM (#15169807)
The last time I wanted to use my HiDPI screen on Wayland/GNOME, I had to change the Mutter source and recompile, because my Dell HiDPI screen does not fulfil the GNOME definition of HiDPI.

A random non-expert user would simply not be able to enable scaling properly (and stare at miniature windows).

Yes, I know KDE is better and GNOME is working on this. The fact is that hardware that has been around for years does not work out of the box or even with a 'blah fedora'.

Re:With Android Oreo, Google is introducing Linux kernel req... by hungerstrike on Monday September 04, 2017 @01:25PM (#15169581)
We had Google in 2002 and the answer would probably have been easier to find at that time since there wouldn't be hundreds of different Ubuntu versions and sub-distros to clutter up the results. I can't count the number of times I've found an answer that applies to "Ubuntu" where the alleged solution didn't apply to the version that I'm running.

Also, systemd can cause anyone problems - I'm not sure it can distinguish between you or Grandma.

Re:With Android Oreo, Google is introducing Linux kernel req... by khedoros1 on Monday September 04, 2017 @02:42PM (#15170079)
There were Red Hat, Mandrake, SuSE, Debian, Slackware, and dozens of others then too. Software still switched its method of configuration between versions, and distros still had their own incompatible ways of doing things. Linux was farther from mainstream, StackExchange didn't exist, Google wasn't as good, and Linux in general was less polished (and required more manual intervention to get things going).
Re:With Android Oreo, Google is introducing Linux kernel req... by cat199 on Monday September 04, 2017 @01:54PM (#15169770)
And this situation doesn't apply to windows or macos how, exactly?
Re:With Android Oreo, Google is introducing Linux kernel req... by danieldk on Monday September 04, 2017 @02:04PM (#15169823)
since there wouldn't be hundreds of different Ubuntu versions and sub-distros

There are no macOS or Windows subdistros. So, the only difference may be between different versions. Adding to that, Apple generally does not have the tendency to replace/rewrite macOS subsystems every few years, so it is much more likely that thing still work after a couple of years.

Re:With Android Oreo, Google is introducing Linux kernel req... by belovedeagle on Monday September 04, 2017 @04:40PM (#15170731)
> There are no ... Windows subdistros

That's a pretty naive trust in Microsoft's branding/marketing team. Of course there are heaps of different Windows distributions. They don't necessarily differ as much as, say, Ubuntu vs Gentoo, but they do differ.

Re:With Android Oreo, Google is introducing Linux kernel req... by pjmlp on Monday September 04, 2017 @12:47PM (#15169341)
Just yesterday I was searching the Internet to understand why the travel netbook where I have an AMD GPU has suddenly stopped supporting hardware acceleration for videos.

Something that was working up to a few months ago, the last time I used it.