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Re:HSBC is killing my business, piece by piece  by Twirrim on Monday September 04, 2017 @11:26AM (#15168860)
Had HSBC screw over a co-worker. Someone, somehow, transferred money through his account. A fair sized amount, in and out within an hour.

He reported it and they suspended his account immediately while they investigated, which is fine. What wasn't fine was it took them well over a month to investigate, in the mean time all of his money was locked up tight and he was unable to access it, pay rent, buy lunch etc (we ended up shouting him for meals for a bit to help out until work organised an advance on his salary). In the end he really regretted 1) having all his money in a single account, and 2) ever having bothered telling HSBC about the transfer.

Re:HSBC is killing my business, piece by piece  by daemin on Monday September 04, 2017 @12:52PM (#15169381)
How can someone else other than the account holder transfer money out of that account? Based on my experience anyone can transfer money in to an account, but only the account holder or an authorised user can transfer it out.
Re:HSBC is killing my business, piece by piece  by appleiigs on Monday September 04, 2017 @01:12PM (#15169503)
It was probably bank error. Then it took a month for the bank investigation unit to find the internal bank staff that made the error and get an explanation.

The best banks for consumers are the mid sized banks. They're big enough to have all the services, but not the bureaucracy.

Re:HSBC is killing my business, piece by piece  by QML on Monday September 04, 2017 @03:14PM (#15170267)
Bank error or money laundering?
Re:HSBC is killing my business, piece by piece  by kpil on Monday September 04, 2017 @03:21PM (#15170293)
Nah, shit happens.

It's easy to stamp in the wrong account number.

Re:HSBC is killing my business, piece by piece  by jjnoakes on Monday September 04, 2017 @10:15PM (#15172048)
And have the name match?

Tell me they check the name... Right?

Re:HSBC is killing my business, piece by piece  by sl4i6j3o4i98g on Monday September 04, 2017 @01:03PM (#15169458)
There are many flows that permit direct debit, and that may not have the strongest authentication or protections.

If you want to test, post your bank details here!

Re:HSBC is killing my business, piece by piece  by kalleboo on Monday September 04, 2017 @01:14PM (#15169514)
It's different for every country but for the article's example of the UK, Jeremy Clarkson put his bank account details in a column and got owned by someone setting up a direct debit from his account https://www.theguardian.com/money/2008/jan/07/personalfinanc...
Re:HSBC is killing my business, piece by piece  by tombrossman on Monday September 04, 2017 @03:17PM (#15170278)
Clarkson wasn't doing the bank any favors by posting his info, however this is the bank's failure to properly verify the transaction(s). The bank was tricked, and the bank is responsible for this error. It's fraud, plain and simple.

The article ends with him saying "I was wrong and I have been punished for my mistake" but this is just his schtick, it's factually incorrect.

I live in a small community and many local charities and non-profits post their bank info online, so that people may make donations by bank transfer or standing orders. Fraudsters periodically manage to trick the local banks into transferring money from the charity accounts and everyone freaks out, which is complete bullshit. The banks always restore the funds, and scold the charities for having this info online. I've experienced this myself at two different organisations. As a result charities become more reluctant to publicise their bank info and predictably, donations lessen.

It's important to keep perspective and hold the responsible party accountable, instead of trying to compensate for the bank's failings.

Re:HSBC is killing my business, piece by piece  by daemin on Monday September 04, 2017 @01:20PM (#15169560)
Yeah, direct debit is the only way I can think of this to happen where it is not a bank error (like in a previous reply). While certainly a convenience, I am still a little bit wary of allowing any company to automatically take money out of my bank account directly.

Having an automatic credit card payment is something slightly different though.

Re:HSBC is killing my business, piece by piece  by richardknop on Monday September 04, 2017 @01:01PM (#15169445)
Yeah this is quite strange. I know I can send my money to any account I want to. But from there it's not my money anymore, I can't send it further. Perhaps it was some social engineering hack.
Re:HSBC is killing my business, piece by piece  by Spooky23 on Monday September 04, 2017 @01:27PM (#15169592)
It's pretty easy. Try adding your spouse's checking account to your credit card payment list. It works, no problem.

The only protection that you have are the internal controls at the biller.