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Re:China sees new world order with oil benchmark backed by gold by tomcam on Sunday September 03, 2017 @02:59AM (#15160059)
What kind of imperialists do what we did for Japan, Europe, Vietnam etc. without, oh, I don't know, getting territory or reimbursements out of the deal? Please, igravious, feel free to conquer me and play those same devious imperial tricks on me!
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Re:China sees new world order with oil benchmark backed by gold by yorwba on Sunday September 03, 2017 @03:51AM (#15160197)
The US did get a bunch out of those deals: military bases across the globe and the related political influence.

For example, several European states house US nuclear weapons. [1] Japan serves as an outpost against China and North Korea. [2] "Currently South Korean forces would fall under United States control should the war resume. This war time control is planned to revert to South Korea in 2020." [3]

And Vietnam? The south was lead by a series of military governments during the war, which the US was apparently willing to accept. Sure, they pressured for elections, but in the meantime, fighting Communism was more important. [4]

I wouldn't call the US an empire, but they're not exactly a selfless force of protection either.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_sharing

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan%E2%80%93United_States_re...

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Korea%E2%80%93United_Sta...

[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Vietnam#1963.E2.80.9373

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Re:China sees new world order with oil benchmark backed by gold by tomcam on Sunday September 03, 2017 @07:40AM (#15160938)
Where did I use the term selfless?
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Re:China sees new world order with oil benchmark backed by gold by nl on Sunday September 03, 2017 @12:49PM (#15162446)
What kind of imperialists do what we did for Japan, Europe, Vietnam etc. without, oh, I don't know, getting territory or reimbursements out of the deal?

"According to an annual report titled Allied Contributions to the Common Defense published by the U.S. Department of Defense in 2004, Japan provided direct support of $3.2 billion (about ¥366 billion) and indirect support worth $1.18 billion, offsetting as much as 74.5 percent of the total cost.... [in 2017] It said Japan will pay ¥192 billion in the current fiscal year in direct support. U.S."

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/01/31/national/much-j...

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