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Re:Juicero Is Shutting Down by marcosdumay on Friday September 01, 2017 @07:28PM (#15153109)
- A capsule coffee machine is way cheaper than an expresso machine.

- Expressos are minimally hard to make correctly, and those capsules are above even the quality of some coffee shops.

- There is a big movement of gourmet coffee that favors high priced drinks with the correct marketing (not perfectly correlated with quality).

None of those seem to apply to Juicero. They may have aimed at the last point, but I don't think it's something you can create on a startup's budget.

Re:Juicero Is Shutting Down by tesin on Friday September 01, 2017 @07:49PM (#15153217)
It's espresso, not expresso.

Capsule is far more expensive over the it's lifetime than something like a Gaggia Classic. Capsules aren't anywhere near the quality of coffee shops, unless you're counting Dunkin.

Re:Juicero Is Shutting Down by krrrh on Friday September 01, 2017 @08:54PM (#15153495)
> It's espresso, not expresso.

Nitpick on your nitpick. While the word originated in Italy as espresso and that is mostly what we use in the English-speaking world, expresso is not totally uncommon and it's not necessarily a misspelling or folk-etymological error. French and Portuguese use the expresso variation for instance, and the x spelling is considered 're-latinized'.

Depending on where you live the beverage may have entered your culture via French or Italian influences, perhaps one reason why expresso seems more common in Canada than in the US (though espresso dominates in Canada as well, no doubt helped by the ubiquity of Starbucks).

Re:Juicero Is Shutting Down by tesin on Friday September 01, 2017 @10:21PM (#15153842)
I think that's giving too much credit - for most it's the same mistake as axe and ask (you a question).
Re:Juicero Is Shutting Down by dunmalg on Friday September 01, 2017 @09:05PM (#15153530)
Actually, ANY coffee brewed in a proper machine is going to be better than keurig, even from a Dunkin Donuts. Coffee needs three things to be ok: recently roasted grounds in suffice quantity, hot enough water, and long enough brew time. You can skimp on one of those three and still get barely passable coffee. Fall short of two of those marks and the coffee is crap water. Keurig machines fail at all three. The only redeeming quality of Keurig is a convenient single serving format.
Re:Juicero Is Shutting Down by Chathamization on Friday September 01, 2017 @09:13PM (#15153575)
> Capsule is far more expensive over the it's lifetime than something like a Gaggia Classic. Capsules aren't anywhere near the quality of coffee shops, unless you're counting Dunkin.

To add on to this - many offices replace their teas with Keurig capsules as well. This leads to a tea that's much more expensive (capsules are something like 4 or 5 times the cost of a tea bag), dirtier, more complicated and more time consuming to make.

Looking at the popularity of Keurig machines, I'm not surprised people saw potential in Juicero.

Re:Juicero Is Shutting Down by marcosdumay on Saturday September 02, 2017 @11:44AM (#15156534)
> It's espresso, not expresso.

Portuguese is my first language, and I never even noticed it's written differently in English. Noticed now.

As I said in my gourmet item, it is not something that correlates perfectly with quality. It may correlate better with price than quality. It's a property coffee shares with wine.

Re:Juicero Is Shutting Down by dragonwriter on Friday September 01, 2017 @08:06PM (#15153305)
> A capsule coffee machine is way cheaper than an expresso machine.

The cheaper capsule machines are about the same price as the cheaper non-capsule espresso machines.

It's true that the high end of espresso machines goes well above the high end of capsule machines, but that doesn't seem particularly relevant.

Re:Juicero Is Shutting Down by lathiat on Saturday September 02, 2017 @05:48AM (#15155133)
The main price gap is between a capsule machine, and an entry level automatic coffee machine (where you dont have to clean up the mess after each coffee, just empty the grinds every few days). That's the same barrier juicero was going after in my view.

If you look on gumtree (like craigslist here in Australia) by far the most common appliance item by a very large margin are basic juicers. People like the idea, but in practice they go un-used because they're a pain to clean and people can't be bothered.

Best I could tell that was the same idea Juicero was after.

Re:Juicero Is Shutting Down by barrkel on Friday September 01, 2017 @10:01PM (#15153780)
Espresso is are more sensitive to the quality of the beans being used and the evenness of the grind than the machinery. Personally, I don't like most coffee shop espresso - beans are roasted so much they taste burnt and chemical, and any character from the terroir has been lost. For similar reasons, I think most capsule coffee is disgusting.

I get my beans whole, by subscription, grind them myself just before making an espresso. Another advantage of starting from the beans (apart from something that is actually pleasant to drink) is that you can select lots of other brewing methods, whether it's aeropress or moka pot, cafetiere or filter, with different grind levels as appropriate.

Also if you like milk-based coffee products (where the taste of the coffee is far more diluted, and the quality is less relevant), having a steam wand is handy and much better than any attachment I've used on any coffee machine, including Nespresso, and other much more expensive models that do bean to cup.

Re:Juicero Is Shutting Down by fron on Friday September 01, 2017 @07:46PM (#15153198)
I know what you meant, but the word doesn't have an x in it. Espresso is the correct spelling of the word.