Re:Maybe today’s Navy is just not very good at driving ships
by tyingq on Monday August 28, 2017 @06:45PM
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I believe the idea is that the entire curriculum is then centered around teaching the test, versus what kids actually need. As to whether that's the primary issue, no idea.
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Re:Maybe today’s Navy is just not very good at driving ships
by cgmg on Monday August 28, 2017 @06:53PM
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Do you really think eliminating standardised tests would improve the education system?
Re:Maybe today’s Navy is just not very good at driving ships
by valuearb on Monday August 28, 2017 @11:34PM
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I'd be far more okay with standardized tests if the requirement also banned homework until at least Junior High. Otherwise it's a race to the bottom to see which schools can suck up as much of the children's and families home time to help improve the schools scores.
Re:Maybe today’s Navy is just not very good at driving ships
by cgmg on Tuesday August 29, 2017 @01:05AM
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How would you propose that students practice learning and studying on their own, outside of a classroom setting, without homework?
Re:Maybe today’s Navy is just not very good at driving ships
by valuearb on Tuesday August 29, 2017 @01:19AM
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I don't propose that children do any of that. That's what high school is for, and 4 years of "practice" is more than enough.
Re:Maybe today’s Navy is just not very good at driving ships
by quicklyfrozen on Tuesday August 29, 2017 @02:37AM
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Some of the reason schools start homework so early is that parents demand it. I've seen parents complain that a first grade class isn't academic enough because the teacher didn't assign enough homework.
Re:Maybe today’s Navy is just not very good at driving ships
by KGIII on Monday August 28, 2017 @07:53PM
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There's an excluded middle, in that statement. De-emphasizing the importance may be an option.
Re:Maybe today’s Navy is just not very good at driving ships
by cgmg on Monday August 28, 2017 @08:38PM
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Fair point. Let me rephrase the question:
Do you really think reducing standardised tests would improve the education system?
If so, what objective evidence can you provide for this belief?
Re:Maybe today’s Navy is just not very good at driving ships
by closeparen on Monday August 28, 2017 @10:30PM
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If you measure it less, you'll have a weaker argument for how the education system is doing!
Your comment is precisely the problem: objective metrics will always support their proponents' arguments for more measurement, while any upsides to a lessened objective grading will be difficult to show because they'll involve subjective assessment or less assessment.
Do not confuse the investigator's convenience in accessing a truth value for the truth value itself.
Re:Maybe today’s Navy is just not very good at driving ships
by andrewem on Tuesday August 29, 2017 @02:22PM
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That argument has been made many times and in great detail. See for instance the work of Diane Ravitch, former US Assistant Secretary of Education (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diane_Ravitch)
Edit: she was Assistant Secretary, not Secretary
Re:Maybe today’s Navy is just not very good at driving ships
by wavefunction on Monday August 28, 2017 @07:42PM
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School-funding and even whether a school closes or not is tied to these tests, so there would be some work involved in replacing that aspect of standardized testing in US schools as well.