Re:Ask HN: Someone have gotten troubles for not show “We use...
by honestoHeminway on Monday August 28, 2017 @07:05AM
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Now, lets assume your website is not accessed via a secure connection and some third party deep packet inspects your website and removes your terms of service, without you noticing.
Is your contract still existing. Have really all your customers signed it?
Re:Ask HN: Someone have gotten troubles for not show “We use...
by skybrian on Monday August 28, 2017 @12:36AM
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I'm wondering why you wrote all that without mentioning European law?
Re:Ask HN: Someone have gotten troubles for not show “We use...
by mdekkers on Monday August 28, 2017 @02:34AM
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This cookies notice and agreement probably falls right into this category.
....The cookie notice is mandated by EU Law...
Re:Ask HN: Someone have gotten troubles for not show “We use...
by bryanrasmussen on Monday August 28, 2017 @03:19AM
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case law is generally not as relevant in Europe as it is in the US.
Re:Ask HN: Someone have gotten troubles for not show “We use...
by rbrtl on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @10:44AM
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Not quite as true in England, where Common Law is meaningful; e.g. only in the last 2 years or so have private car parking companies been able to put pressure on consumers to pay their fines because the Supreme Court ruled in favour of a private parking company.
However, there is case law (law made by judges who hear cases and issue opinions) that says that sometimes contracts can be implicitly formed. For example, if you as a website visitor are given proper notice of a website's terms of use, and then you continue to the use website, you have implicitly agreed to the terms of the use. Even if you didn't sign anything, or check any box somewhere saying you agree. No explicit action has to take place.
Except, that is not exactly worldwide statutory law (laws passed by government and written down in the books with codes like Law #1234.56). While the issue of formation is mostly settled, there is still some room for creative legal maneuvering. Aka lawyering the shit of things. Aka screwing things up because someone with deep pockets is paying you to win using any angle you can get.
This cookies notice and agreement probably falls right into this category. And while it is generally settled law that the contract is formed even without this agreement, some schmuck somewhere still thinks there is wiggle room, but it is merely case law and not exactly authoritative, especially not in the international setting.
When in doubt, lawyers adhere to CYA. Cover your ass. Use the narrowest, most conservative, safest interpretation of the law. In this case, there is this tiny bit of doubt, so CYA. Just in case.
I personally believe you can make a good argument that contract is implicitly formed merely from continued use, and the notion of requiring express consent is outdated. The law is catching up to how things are done online, the trend is rather obvious, and anyone whining about it is probably just some established cash cow business that somehow wants to manipulate the market to further extend its antiquated business practices and is willing to spend millions on dollars on go screw yourself legal teams.
So, yes, you could theoretically get in trouble. But you are not likely to, and anyone suggesting otherwise probably has an ulterior motive.