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Re:AdNauseam – Clicking Ads So You Don't Have To by convery on Sunday August 27, 2017 @04:39AM (#15109761)
> Nothing is preventing you from showing a self-hosted, untracked image that's actually an ad.

Which is largely impossible for smaller sites. If you contact companies directly and ask if they'd like to advertise (or just have a contact page) they expect you to have millions of daily users. Not to mention that you have to build systems to track how many times the banner is shown to the users and have some way to verify this (e.g. that they are not bots/crawlers).

Saying; "just host your own ads" is a lot similar to "if you don't like the software, just make your own from scratch". It's not that easy for most people.

Re:AdNauseam – Clicking Ads So You Don't Have To by gfody on Sunday August 27, 2017 @05:17AM (#15109894)
this is the real shame. people don't block ads because they can't stand the site of them. it's because the whole ad infrastructure is so janky that it makes the browsing experience glitchy and unstable. nobody wants cookie stuffing popunder free download now buttons on their site but ad providers don't really give much in the way of being able to selectively filter those out.
Re:AdNauseam – Clicking Ads So You Don't Have To by featherverse on Sunday August 27, 2017 @02:09PM (#15111876)
> people don't block ads because they can't stand the site of them.

Oh yeah? Where do you get your research from?

I guarantee people are blocking ads because they hate ads and everything else is secondary.

You want some proof? TIVO sold millions of devices because of the ability to skip ads. People hate ads.

Re:AdNauseam – Clicking Ads So You Don't Have To by gfody on Sunday August 27, 2017 @08:07PM (#15113559)
there's a big difference between a tv commercial and a banner ad. one completely hijacks your attention for some period and the other is more like a billboard or poster - if you're not interested you don't have to pay attention to it.

I know some sites have taken to showing full screen overlays and that's a lot more like a tv commercial, which I agree people hate. but for the most part we're talking about banners and their corresponding infrastructure for tracking and targeting (which is more intrusive than the actual ad mist of the time).

Re:AdNauseam – Clicking Ads So You Don't Have To by featherverse on Monday August 28, 2017 @03:38AM (#15115014)
This response will be lengthy, it's a complicated subject.

I disagree. Most banner ads are through some sort of service like AdSense. They don't fit the theme of the page they're on most of the time which harms the immersive experience for the end user.

People care about these details. AdBlockers are increasing in popularity every year and there are reasons for that, you can't simply disregard this fact.

There are rare sites where ads are less hated, a good example might be Penny Arcade where the ads are hand-picked by the site owners for their specific appeal to their targeted audience. Those kinds of ads are probably the least hated.

I've had this conversation dozens of times, and people are constantly insisting that advertising is going to live forever! But that's nonsense. People hate ads. Even the least intrusive ads, they hate them on principal because their lives have been ruled by ads for decades. And films like Minority Report have painted horrifying visions of the future where advertising has taken over everything. The savvy among us can see that "big data" trends are heading in that direction, and that isn't a future anyone wants. Except people who work in advertising.

What I am curious about is why people cling so desperately to this revenue model. Obviously those who rely on it for their bread and butter are going to wish it would live forever, but the other 90% of the population would realize a much better quality of life if advertisements were to die forever. Just imagine it.

The internet and digital technology is changing the world. Advertising is going to die. It's an exciting thing to bear witness to.

Re:AdNauseam – Clicking Ads So You Don't Have To by jdangu on Sunday August 27, 2017 @05:55AM (#15110030)
We're doing exactly that at my startup Confiant [1], blocking bad ads in stream on behalf of publishers. High quality content websites don't want to ruin UX with bad ads.

[1] https://www.confiant.com

Re:AdNauseam – Clicking Ads So You Don't Have To by gfody on Sunday August 27, 2017 @06:45AM (#15110161)
cool startup! do you do anything about the infrastructure though? I mean a regular old banner image is OK, but the same image delivered via the series of scripts all tracking, sniffing, and profiling with all the cookie stuffing and who knows what else black magic bullshit is in those adtech js really screws with the browsing experience. uMatrix doesn't just hide ads - it blocks the ad tech entirely which ends up improving the whole experience by making the site load faster, use less ram, not spin up my fans and heat up the battery, etc.
Re:AdNauseam – Clicking Ads So You Don't Have To by jdangu on Sunday August 27, 2017 @06:11PM (#15113105)
yup, we detect and block most sleazy ad tech schemes through the daisy-chain of third parties. Agreed on UX improvement with ad blockers, we're doing this selectively on behalf of publishers.
Re:AdNauseam – Clicking Ads So You Don't Have To by wott on Sunday August 27, 2017 @05:46AM (#15109994)
> people don't block ads because they can't stand the site of them.

That's cute :-)

Re:AdNauseam – Clicking Ads So You Don't Have To by icebraining on Sunday August 27, 2017 @04:55AM (#15109812)
Right, but it won't be impossible when the alternative is not advertising at all in millions of sites.
Re:AdNauseam – Clicking Ads So You Don't Have To by manquer on Sunday August 27, 2017 @11:50AM (#15111239)
Each site owner need not do it on his own . Perhaps there is an opportunity for an open source ad hosting solution which has all the features and connect to one or more central marketplaces where advertisers can place bids and also each ad can have be rated basis user responses and feedback and you can configure which marketplaces to list and restrict the quality of ads and the kind of tracking
Re:AdNauseam – Clicking Ads So You Don't Have To by tomp on Sunday August 27, 2017 @04:43AM (#15109777)
Most sites have tracking via GA as well, why not just show advertisers that, and let them buy e.g. 1/3 of the monthly traffic? AFAIK most ad-blockers don't block GA (though other plugins do).

Edit: Ah, I just checked, uBlock apparently blocks GA whereas AdBlock doesn't.

Re:AdNauseam – Clicking Ads So You Don't Have To by LeoNatan25 on Sunday August 27, 2017 @05:35AM (#15109947)
If you add any privacy related list to any blocker, GA is blocked, thankfully.
Re:AdNauseam – Clicking Ads So You Don't Have To by takeda on Sunday August 27, 2017 @11:53AM (#15111252)
AdBlock now allows ads and trackers from companies that satisfy their proper ad criteria. One of the criteria is also a payment that depends on the size of your company.