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Re:Germany, in a First, Shuts Down Left-Wing Extremist Website by geofft on Friday August 25, 2017 @04:12PM (#15101787)
What I have heard from Germans is that it's pretty easy to be a neo-Nazi and convey neo-Nazi ideas in Germany, you just have to not use Nazi symbols. Don't call yourself a Nazi, just mumble something about patriotism and history, and don't use the swastika, and the government won't do anything.

So I'm not sure that the bright-line rule has really been lost in Germany.

(I'd appreciate being corrected about this by Germans if I have my facts wrong!)

Re:Germany, in a First, Shuts Down Left-Wing Extremist Website by technics256 on Friday August 25, 2017 @04:43PM (#15102057)
As an american who lives in Germany, this couldn't be farther than the truth from anything that I have seen. I have seen much more racism and bigotry in my homeland than anything from the west to the former east. There exist bad elements in all societies; what I have seen is that German society as a whole has learned and tried to better themselves from the atrocities of their past - while it is unfortunately still strong in America.

My best friends come from the "neo nazi" working class hotbeds of Leipzig and Dresden. I have never ever seen anything like you mention, ever.

Re:Germany, in a First, Shuts Down Left-Wing Extremist Website by ameister14 on Friday August 25, 2017 @04:47PM (#15102075)
Roughly the same percentage of people vote for Nazis in Germany as polls say would vote for white supremacists in the United States - a pretty small amount, though the similarity in percentages does call into question the effectiveness of limits on speech.
Re:Germany, in a First, Shuts Down Left-Wing Extremist Website by scythe on Friday August 25, 2017 @05:19PM (#15102354)
>What I have heard from Germans is that it's pretty easy to be a neo-Nazi and convey neo-Nazi ideas in Germany, you just have to not use Nazi symbols. Don't call yourself a Nazi, just mumble something about patriotism and history, and don't use the swastika, and the government won't do anything.

In other words, Germany's laws are dumb, because they don't actually slow down neo-Nazis and simply criminalize people for using pictures.

Re:Germany, in a First, Shuts Down Left-Wing Extremist Website by majewsky on Friday August 25, 2017 @04:23PM (#15101881)
> and the government won't do anything

Actually, chances are that the government funds you.

I don't have a source at hand right now, but I recall reports that the NPD (the German nationalist party) would have gone bankrupt many times over if it weren't for a substantial number of its members being recruited by the domestic intelligence service as confidential informants, who then donated their informant salaries (or parts thereof) to the party.