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Re:Alaska’s thawing soils are now pouring carbon dioxide int... by ForHackernews on Wednesday August 23, 2017 @05:45PM (#15085499)
Re:Alaska’s thawing soils are now pouring carbon dioxide int... by tempestn on Wednesday August 23, 2017 @07:24PM (#15086109)
The first paragraph:

> It is, I promise, worse than you think. If your anxiety about global warming is dominated by fears of sea-level rise, you are barely scratching the surface of what terrors are possible, even within the lifetime of a teenager today. And yet the swelling seas — and the cities they will drown — have so dominated the picture of global warming, and so overwhelmed our capacity for climate panic, that they have occluded our perception of other threats, many much closer at hand. Rising oceans are bad, in fact very bad; but fleeing the coastline will not be enough.

Re:Alaska’s thawing soils are now pouring carbon dioxide int... by fencepost on Wednesday August 23, 2017 @08:14PM (#15086482)
The annotated version with links to source data is probably a better option to link.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/07/climate-change-...

Re:Alaska’s thawing soils are now pouring carbon dioxide int... by stale2002 on Wednesday August 23, 2017 @11:57PM (#15087481)
The guy is talking about 10 degrees C scenarios, aka scenarios that nobody believes is going to happen.

The IPCC, which is the official authority on climate change, believes that there will be 2-3 degrees C increase in temperature over the next century.

When someone can rationally talk about what will happen in the IPCC predicted scenarios, which is the scientific consensus, then I will listen to them.

If you are some crank, who is talking about 1000 parts per million of C02, and 10 degrees C temp increase by 2100, well then you shouldn't be taken seriously.

Re:Alaska’s thawing soils are now pouring carbon dioxide int... by fencepost on Friday August 25, 2017 @05:59PM (#15102566)
I haven't gone back to re-read for this, but I believe 10 degrees is presented as a worst-case scenario because if we hit that it's pretty much game over.

The part you may want starts around footnote 20, in a paragraph that notes 4 degrees as a median projection from the IPCC, with up to 8 degrees at the high end of the curve without factoring in permafrost melt and its associated carbon release or any of a variety of other exacerbating factors (footnoted in the article).

There are ways to calculate how much effort or expense is reasonable to attempt to mitigate a risk, I believe that's often part of the job description of actuaries. Part of it involves figuring out what the cost is if the event in question happens, then what the likelihood of the event is.

Re:Alaska’s thawing soils are now pouring carbon dioxide int... by arnoooooo on Saturday August 26, 2017 @02:14AM (#15104311)
It's already game over if we hit 5-6 degrees. See for instance http://www2.le.ac.uk/offices/press/press-releases/2015/decem...
Re:Alaska’s thawing soils are now pouring carbon dioxide int... by ForHackernews on Thursday August 24, 2017 @02:31AM (#15088063)
Elsewhere in this thread, it's been stated that the IPCC has omitted runaway positive-feedback loop scenarios from their predictions, either because they're too poorly understood, or because they're too depressing.

The doomsday scenarios may be uncertain, but they do not (to my layman's understand) seem impossible https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clathrate_gun_hypothesis

Re:Alaska’s thawing soils are now pouring carbon dioxide int... by stale2002 on Wednesday August 23, 2017 @11:53PM (#15087469)
That article is wrong on a number of facts.

For example, it explicitly mentions 10 degrees C of warming over the next century.

A 10 degrees C scenario is not something that any respectable scientist believes is going to happen.

The IPCC, which is the official authority on climate change, believes that there will be a 2-3 degrees C increase in temperature over the next century.

Thats the facts. Please listen to the scientists. Every single doomsday prediction that this guy is making, can be traced back to this fundamental problem that he is talking about scenarios that the experts and the scientists do NOT believe has even a remote chance of happening.

Re:Alaska’s thawing soils are now pouring carbon dioxide int... by FrozenVoid on Thursday August 24, 2017 @12:58AM (#15087695)
Such short-term warming due methane clathrates is certainly possible. A study based on a coupled climate–carbon cycle model (GCM) assessed a 1000-fold (from <1 to 1000 ppmv) methane increase - within a single pulse, from methane hydrates (based on carbon amount estimates for the PETM, with ~2000 GtC), and concluded it would increase atmospheric temperatures by >6 °C within 80 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clathrate_gun_hypothesis#Model...