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Re:Aging Japan Wants Automation, Not Immigration by derping69 on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @11:49PM (#15078382)
Because the goal of mass immigration of unskilled workers isn't what's best for the country, its to bring in people who will be reliant on the government and thus always vote for more government, thus further consolidating power. Also has the benefit of driving wages down resulting in more natives being reliant on government.

If we really needed more workers why wouldn't we incentivize our own citizens to have kids instead of spending that money on refugees and immigrants?

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Re:Aging Japan Wants Automation, Not Immigration by sumedh on Wednesday August 23, 2017 @12:10AM (#15078466)
> why wouldn't we incentivize our own citizens to have kids

I am assuming by "incentivize" you meaning tax payer funded policies so are you ready to pay more taxes?

If you are ready to pay more taxes but what about people who dont want kids.

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Re:Aging Japan Wants Automation, Not Immigration by mc32 on Wednesday August 23, 2017 @12:17AM (#15078494)
Singapore, a multicultural society, has a pretty progressive baby bonus[1], among other countries. They think that's what works best for their society. They could import labor, but they prefer do it their way. It seems to work for them.

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_bonus

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Re:Aging Japan Wants Automation, Not Immigration by surfmike on Wednesday August 23, 2017 @02:05AM (#15078898)
Their baby bonus also does not work, they have one of the lowest fertility rates in the world.
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Re:Aging Japan Wants Automation, Not Immigration by StudyAnimal on Wednesday August 23, 2017 @02:09AM (#15078931)
No it's bad for society. Kids cost money, immigrants earn money. Penalize breeding, encourage immigration.
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Re:Aging Japan Wants Automation, Not Immigration by derping69 on Wednesday August 23, 2017 @10:34AM (#15081806)
Will those uneducated immigrants earn money when they are no longer needed due to automation? If you have to pay to educate them anyway why not just have your population have kids instead of importing?
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Re:Aging Japan Wants Automation, Not Immigration by StudyAnimal on Thursday August 24, 2017 @07:01AM (#15089085)
The uneducated ones we need to fill the jobs that educated locals won't do and won't be automated in their lifetimes. But a lot of them are educated and we need them too.
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Re:Aging Japan Wants Automation, Not Immigration by derping69 on Wednesday August 23, 2017 @10:10AM (#15081653)
That's my point, incentivize our own citizens to have kids using the money that would otherwise be spent on immigrants. Preferably you would make it a tax cut so that middle class would have kids.
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Re:Aging Japan Wants Automation, Not Immigration by StudyAnimal on Wednesday August 23, 2017 @02:08AM (#15078923)
Why encourage more population growth? To me it's natural that some more developed societies have less children, and other less developed societies have more, encouraging immigration is a win win without increasing the total population.
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