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Re:Portugal Dominated Angola for Centuries. Now the Roles Ar... by aaron-lebo on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @06:40AM (#15071108)
Kind of crazy just how late it was decolonized: 1975. You don't really think of 20th century Portugal as having remnants of empire.
Re:Portugal Dominated Angola for Centuries. Now the Roles Ar... by eighthnate on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @08:04AM (#15071526)
> Kind of crazy just how late it was decolonized: 1975.

Actually it was fully decolonized in 2002.

Independence didn't lead to real independence. Europeans, americans, russians, etc fought over "independent" angola for 37 years after 1975.

The last foreign troops "officially" left in 1989.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angolan_Civil_War

> You don't really think of 20th century Portugal as having remnants of empire.

Portugal officially returned macau to china in 1999. Now that is shocking. A small nation of 10 million keeping territory from a nation of 1.4 billion until 1999.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Macaus-Return-to-China-3537...

Also portugal kept gao from india into the 60s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Goa

It's pretty amazing how such a small colonial power stayed under the radar for so long.

Most european empires still have overseas colonies. The french still have colonies all over the world. The british just renamed their the "commonwealth".

And former european colonial powers still exercise power over much of africa, middle east, etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Mali_conflict#Battle_...

It's now under the banner of "democracy and freedom and etc" rather than to bring "civilization". European colonization just got rebranded. That's all.

Re:Portugal Dominated Angola for Centuries. Now the Roles Ar... by mrisoli on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @09:11AM (#15071993)
> It's pretty amazing how such a small colonial power stayed under the radar for so long.

I'm biased because being Brazilian the history of the Portuguese empire wasn't exactly under the radar for us, especially during history lessons.

IMO Portugal never stayed under the radar, it just faded into its own disarray, they had all the tools and resources(its colonies and geographical position) to rule over the world but didn't due to widespread corruption and bureaucracy.

Re:Portugal Dominated Angola for Centuries. Now the Roles Ar... by sageikosa on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @10:12AM (#15072570)
Portugal was more concerned with getting trade goods from the far east than trying to build up sub-Saharan Africa for most of it's history. It just so happened that when the Scramble for Africa started, Portugal already had toeholds all along the coast.
Re:Portugal Dominated Angola for Centuries. Now the Roles Ar... by danmaz74 on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @08:27AM (#15071654)
> The french still have colonies all over the world

They're not colonies if their inhabitants are full French citizens (which they are AFAIK). Are the Hawaii a US colony?

Re:Portugal Dominated Angola for Centuries. Now the Roles Ar... by MisterPC on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @09:19AM (#15072058)
Semantically no, but in reality it is. Like many parts of the US, if they hadn't been flooded with American citizens they would have eventually regained their independence.

Not that I think independence is necessarily a good thing.

Re:Portugal Dominated Angola for Centuries. Now the Roles Ar... by Hasknewbie on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @10:51AM (#15072940)
>> Semantically no, but in reality it is.

If you're still including French oversea departments in that statement, then you are out of your depth here, I must say. Do you know people from the French Caribbeans or Reunion? I do. If you had said they feel under-represented, not supported enough by their government (relative to other regions), or victim of racism, you would have been correct. But talks about being 'colonized'? I have basically never heard that. This is not even part of the discussion for them.

This is supported by their local political landscape: independentist-leaning parties are either anecdotical in size, or have changed their position on this topic. Hell, there are more overt secessionist parties on the French mainland itself (Britany, Corsica), which should tell you something.

This is also a weird remark to make, since France is known to still be very much a neo-colonial power that often interfere in their former colonies' politics, and seldom for the better. So if you're looking for nefarious colonialist behaviour, it's there, just not in their oversea departments.

Re:Portugal Dominated Angola for Centuries. Now the Roles Ar... by MisterPC on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @11:23AM (#15073284)
No, I wasn't making any remark about French colonies as I was replying to a direct question about Hawaii.

I actually think unification is preferable to independence. Independence mainly seems to benefit the people in control.

Re:Portugal Dominated Angola for Centuries. Now the Roles Ar... by coredog64 on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @09:17AM (#15072041)
Not only that, but Schengen rules are in place.

They do use a different currency, but it is pegged to the Euro.

Re:Portugal Dominated Angola for Centuries. Now the Roles Ar... by nl on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @08:50AM (#15071819)
While you make some good points, The british just renamed their the "commonwealth". is pretty inaccurate.

The Commonwealth includes countries like Australia, Canada and India. Britian doesn't dominate them.

Re:Portugal Dominated Angola for Centuries. Now the Roles Ar... by ZanyProgrammer on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @09:08AM (#15071960)
See also Bermuda, Gibraltar, and the Falkland Islands.
Re:Portugal Dominated Angola for Centuries. Now the Roles Ar... by rangibaby on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @08:56AM (#15071868)
There are two Australian examples that make me mad every time I think of them:

- U.K. nuclear testing

- the removal of Gough Whitlam

Re:Portugal Dominated Angola for Centuries. Now the Roles Ar... by nl on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @09:19AM (#15072054)
The Gough Whitlam thing was Australian domestic politics, and the palace only provided advice.

Yes it is crazy we still aren't a republic, but I think the dismissal was our own disfunction.

Re:Portugal Dominated Angola for Centuries. Now the Roles Ar... by tragomaskhalos on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @11:03AM (#15073081)
Well most of the British Empire unravelled soon after WW II because the country was broke and exhausted, hence there was little appetite for clinging onto those overseas possessions that began clamouring for independence.
Re:Portugal Dominated Angola for Centuries. Now the Roles Ar... by tellarin on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @06:55AM (#15071177)
"Decolonized" reads way too light. It was a 13 or 14 years long war (depending on how you count) before independence and that has left huge scars in the country. Not to mention that the war mostly ended because the Portuguese government fell in 1974.

Also, Macau was only returned to China in 1999.

Re:Portugal Dominated Angola for Centuries. Now the Roles Ar... by Jacqued on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @07:23AM (#15071325)
Not to forget Goa, which was actually invaded by India in 1961, with the Portuguese fighting back, although there were 10 times more Indian troops.
Re:Portugal Dominated Angola for Centuries. Now the Roles Ar... by zemvpferreira on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @07:40AM (#15071404)
If by fighting back you mean laying down arms as quickly as humanly possible.
Re:Portugal Dominated Angola for Centuries. Now the Roles Ar... by nl on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @08:54AM (#15071855)
The engagement lasted two days resulting in twenty-two Indians and thirty Portuguese killed in the fighting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Goa

Re:Portugal Dominated Angola for Centuries. Now the Roles Ar... by icebraining on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @07:48AM (#15071445)
Yeah, that's what the fascist dictatorship at the time got by being aligned with the "right" (ie. winning) side, first by not allying itself with the Axis powers in WW2 and then allowing the US to use Azores as a military base during the Cold War.
Re:Portugal Dominated Angola for Centuries. Now the Roles Ar... by sageikosa on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @10:10AM (#15072545)
The "Scramble for Africa" was a particularly late colonization push (late 19th century). Colonization in Africa started after de-colonization was complete in the Americas.
Re:Portugal Dominated Angola for Centuries. Now the Roles Ar... by taejo on Saturday August 26, 2017 @07:04AM (#15104960)
> de-colonization was complete in the Americas.

Except for Canada and many islands which are still colonies today.

Re:Portugal Dominated Angola for Centuries. Now the Roles Ar... by matthewrudy on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @07:08AM (#15071262)
Macau was handed over from Portugal to China in 1999.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macau#Transfer_of_sovereignty_...

Re:Portugal Dominated Angola for Centuries. Now the Roles Ar... by emptyfile on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @08:01AM (#15071512)
It definitely is crazy and something most people don't know about

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_Colonial_War

Re:Portugal Dominated Angola for Centuries. Now the Roles Ar... by pjc50 on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @08:16AM (#15071599)
If you ask which other first world countries have "remnants of empire" still, you may get some surprising answers.