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Re:Why PS4 downloads are so slow by andrewstuart on Saturday August 19, 2017 @08:51PM (#15056401)
I left PC gaming behind years ago.

I like to sit on the couch and I want my gaming device to be a black box that does its job and is dedicated to couch based entertainment (I use it for TV too).

PC gaming requires a...... PC... usually sitting at a desk, much more powerful than I need, lots of configuration etc etc to hard.... I'm a couch gamer in the evening after the programming is done.

I don't care much about the PlayStation download thing. I generally prefer to buy my games on DVD anyway.

Sony should care however.... despite not wanting to spend money on digital downloads I find I spend ever more with Apple App Store because despite my hesitations they make it easy and it works, whereas I don't want to buy digital with Sony and they make it easy not to do that.

>>>PC means freedom, or not being at the mercy of a single uncaring corporate entity

I just don't care about that stuff any more.. life's too short to worry about who our corporate overlords are.

Re:Why PS4 downloads are so slow by mciancia on Saturday August 19, 2017 @09:33PM (#15056536)
> I don't care much about the PlayStation download thing. I generally prefer to buy my games on DVD anyway.

Yeah, wait until you will have 30GB update for a game to download.

Re:Why PS4 downloads are so slow by WillPostForFood on Saturday August 19, 2017 @10:30PM (#15056722)
I don't think you deserve downvotes here. I only buy physical copies of games, and the standard experience is to come home, insert the disc, and wait for a multi gigabyte patch to download and install before playing.
Re:Why PS4 downloads are so slow by NTripleOne on Monday August 21, 2017 @03:35AM (#15062629)
Yup, this was my first experience with my brief stint owning a bloodborne machine.

Put in game, 20GB update. Cool, guess I'm not playing that today then.

Sold that thing a couple of months later, what a waste of money the whole rigmarole was. Bloodborne wasn't even that good imo either.

Re:Why PS4 downloads are so slow by jdormit on Saturday August 19, 2017 @09:55PM (#15056603)
I have a Steam Link, and I get all the benefits of PC gaming from my couch. It's a pretty seamless best-of-both-worlds situation.
Re:Why PS4 downloads are so slow by MBCook on Saturday August 19, 2017 @10:45PM (#15056768)
You also get the downside of having to maintain/upgrade the PC, which is one of the things I was happy to leave behind when I became a console-only gamer.
Re:Why PS4 downloads are so slow by ekianjo on Sunday August 20, 2017 @03:03AM (#15057304)
> You also get the downside of having to maintain/upgrade the PC, which is one of the things I was happy to leave behind when I became a console-only gamer.

Oh, you mean the 15 mins swap of a graphics card every 3 years?

Re:Why PS4 downloads are so slow by MBCook on Sunday August 20, 2017 @11:41AM (#15058845)
Plus researching WHICH graphics card to buy, plus constant driver upgrades, plus the driver upgrades may cause issues with some of your games...

It's not as bad as it used to be… but it's still not like an appliance.

Re:Why PS4 downloads are so slow by ekianjo on Sunday August 20, 2017 @11:56PM (#15061807)
On Linux driver upgrades are pretty easy and I have not recently experienced any game break related to drivers. Getting much better than before, thats for sure.
Re:Why PS4 downloads are so slow by theWatcher37 on Saturday August 19, 2017 @11:44PM (#15056883)
I have less free time than most here and somehow I find a way.

"Maintaining" a PC is super easy...

Re:Why PS4 downloads are so slow by ew on Sunday August 20, 2017 @04:25AM (#15057500)
Go watch some of the major streamers on Twitch. They're constantly trying to figure out why they're dropping frames or why SLI is suddenly fucking up. The illusion that the PC-Master-Race folks like to push is that maintaining and building PCs is easy. Having built many, and owned a computer repair shop, I know that it simply isn't that easy for your average consumer to troubleshoot a computer.
Re:Why PS4 downloads are so slow by ric2b on Sunday August 20, 2017 @06:42AM (#15057851)
> They're constantly trying to figure out why they're dropping frames or why SLI is suddenly fucking up.

But consoles drop frames as well, people just don't care. You can also not care on PC, like lots of people do.

And hardly no one uses SLI or even recommends it, precisely because it's annoying.

Re:Why PS4 downloads are so slow by kogepathic on Sunday August 20, 2017 @05:01AM (#15057591)
> I know that it simply isn't that easy for your average consumer to troubleshoot a computer.

I don't see how you can state that it's any easier to troubleshoot a console. Usually your only feedback is a generic error code which if you Google refers to 20 different problems all with the same error, or an LED blink code which is equally vague.

Sure, PCs have their own unique problems that consoles don't suffer from (e.g. malware on Windows) but I find that PCs typically have much more descriptive error codes, and usually lack the kind of design flaws present in consoles (e.g. Xbox 360 RRoD due to insufficient cooling).

Re:Why PS4 downloads are so slow by MBCook on Sunday August 20, 2017 @11:39AM (#15058832)
See that's the thing. I've been a console gamer since the NES and I don't remember ever really having to troubleshoot one.

And since the hardware is fixed games don't have incompatibilities. None of the "this version of the driver causes this but that version of the driver causes that" issues. No worrying about system requirements. If it sold for the system, it will play.

Re:Why PS4 downloads are so slow by Aweorih on Wednesday August 23, 2017 @01:37PM (#15083454)
I can't remember that I ever had the problem of not having the right driver since windows 7 or so. Since Windows 10 drivers are also "automatically downloaded and installed through Windows Update" ("for many devices").
Re:Why PS4 downloads are so slow by govg on Sunday August 20, 2017 @01:00AM (#15057017)
Upgrading a PC is a one time thing you need to do once every few years. You'd be "upgrading" your console by putting it in the bin and buying a new one, so I'm not sure what the argument is against PC gaming here...
Re:Why PS4 downloads are so slow by HumbleGamer on Sunday August 20, 2017 @02:16AM (#15057184)
There is a convenience factor. You dont have to think if you will be able to play 'xxxx' game on your ps4, if its a ps4 game. That plays heavily in keeping me away from PC gaming. I just dont want to have to even consider can I play the game or not.
Re:Why PS4 downloads are so slow by mikewhy on Sunday August 20, 2017 @11:22PM (#15061698)
Until the Pro and One X have been out for a bit, then the question might come up. Or "Pro only games", which they've said won't happen, but I can see any way around that other than "well you'll just have to accept the awful performance".
Re:Why PS4 downloads are so slow by MBCook on Sunday August 20, 2017 @11:40AM (#15058837)
Right. If I was using a PC all the time at home for something else it wouldn't be such a big deal, but given that I was only using it for gaming and most games I wanted to play were on the console it was just easier to give up.

Like you said, it's an appliance and I never have to think about it. You buy a game for the PS4 and it works on your PS4 and that's all there is to it.

Re:Why PS4 downloads are so slow by notyourwork on Sunday August 20, 2017 @12:17PM (#15059002)
It is about where you play your priorities.
Re:Why PS4 downloads are so slow by nabla9 on Sunday August 20, 2017 @12:27PM (#15059033)
> downside of having to maintain/upgrade the PC

Easy solution:

You can treat your PC like a console. Just clue everything so that you can't maintain and upgrade it.

Now you have PC that is like a console. Buy a new one when this is not good enough.

Re:Why PS4 downloads are so slow by Drdrdrq on Sunday August 20, 2017 @03:05AM (#15057313)
> ...life's too short to worry about who our corporate overlords are

This is not what freedom of choice is about (to me). What I care about is the amount of power they yield over my experience. In Linux their power is low. Windows? Mac? Too high for my taste.

Re:Why PS4 downloads are so slow by Pulcinella on Sunday August 20, 2017 @08:45AM (#15058187)
I don't disagree that this I inportant to you.

Right now my infant child wields "absolute power" over my life so the convenience and time savings of a console is worth it to me.

Re:Why PS4 downloads are so slow by Drdrdrq on Sunday August 20, 2017 @02:44PM (#15059673)
Touché. :-D
Re:Why PS4 downloads are so slow by ekianjo on Sunday August 20, 2017 @03:02AM (#15057302)
> I just don't care about that stuff any more.. life's too short to worry about who our corporate overlords are.

Oh this state of things can change faster than the duration of your lifetime, so you should care.