Noam Chomsky Joins Faculty at University of Arizona

Re:Noam Chomsky Joins Faculty at University of Arizona by epx on Saturday August 19, 2017 @12:12PM (#15054132)

He made some stupid comments about privatization in Brazil in the 1990s. He never lived here, he did not know the absolute mess that Brazil was before the tenure of president FHC. He seems to think that state bureaucracy, inefficiency, inflation, public spending and privileges of public servants are problems so minor that can be ignored.

Chomsky is intelligent and points real problems in USA and capitalism, but he is not infinitely intelligent and should not put the weight of his name in things that he does not have any first-hand experience, because it is damaging. Already some hard-left local people cite Chomsky and call it a day, along with the young lefties that think that Brazil was a paradise until the 1980s.

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Re:Noam Chomsky Joins Faculty at University of Arizona by thomasfortes on Saturday August 19, 2017 @05:07PM (#15055616)

Brazil was a mess, but it simply makes zero sense to say that the young lefties thinks that our country was a paradise under a right wing military dictatorship, most of them agrees that our country was always riddled with corruption, bureaucracy and a ton of other problems.

On the aspect of privatization, some of that was necessary, but the main criticism is not about the privatization per se, but the way it was handled, giving strategic companies for almost nothing.

If you want to criticize the left, please don't resort to lies just because most of the HN aren't brazilians.

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Re:Noam Chomsky Joins Faculty at University of Arizona by epx on Saturday August 19, 2017 @05:28PM (#15055723)

you have a different opinion than mine, it does not make me a liar.

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Re:Noam Chomsky Joins Faculty at University of Arizona by thomasfortes on Saturday August 19, 2017 @06:32PM (#15056005)

When you say that young lefties thinks that Brazil was a paradise during a time when a right wing military dictatorship ruled the country, you are stating a fact that simply isn't true, not an opinion.

And to be honest, a lot of young right wingers are the ones that miss the dictatorship and say that the country was better in that time, in which case what you said couldn't be more distant from the reality.

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Re:Noam Chomsky Joins Faculty at University of Arizona by epx on Saturday August 19, 2017 @07:52PM (#15056259)

This is a nostalgic credo among youngsters that are too far into either side of political spectrum: that there was some sort of 'order' or 'grand plan' for the country until the 1980s. Obviously I don't subscribe to that credo.

Let's not forget that local left worships Getúlio Vargas, which was a right-wing dictator and a full-fledged fascist (a true fascist that fortunately was not a Nazi puppet, which made a lot of difference!). Also, the local military regime belonged firmly to the right, but borrowed some ideas from the left (strong presence of the state in economy, auto-sufficiency in manufacturing). Many times the impeached Dilma was compared to General Geisel; they even committed the same errors regarding the economy.

Anyway I am not sure if you want to debate or just calling people liars.

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Re:Noam Chomsky Joins Faculty at University of Arizona by thomasfortes on Sunday August 20, 2017 @02:14AM (#15057178)

> This is a nostalgic credo among youngsters that are too far into either side of political spectrum: that there was some sort of 'order' or 'grand plan' for the country until the 1980s. Obviously I don't subscribe to that credo.

Source needed, credible sources about lefties that loved our military dictatorship would be greatly appreciated.

I can agree with you on Getulio Vargas, but I disagree in everything else and would love to see you support your arguments with sources.

I call things what they are, and saying that the left has fond memories of the dictatorship in the same way that the right has is a false equivalence.

I won't say that we don't have a few lefties that admire Stalinism and left-wing dictatorships, but I find very hard to believe that the left is fond of our dictatorship, would gladly read some sources that corroborate your arguments.

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