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Re:The ACLU Asks in 1934: Shall We Defend Free Speech for Na... by nimish on Friday August 18, 2017 @06:56AM (#15045093)
You and the ACLU have been tripped up by the paradox of tolerance: there is a time and place to analyze ideas destructive to open society, but that is not the same as what happened in Charlottesville or Germany in the '30s
Re:The ACLU Asks in 1934: Shall We Defend Free Speech for Na... by lagadu on Friday August 18, 2017 @07:21AM (#15045193)
> there is a time and place to analyze ideas destructive to open society

I hope you realize this is the type of speech we should expect from a totalitarian regime.

Who determines whether something is destructive to society? Always and everywhere should be the time and place to analyse any ideas regardless of whether anyone thinks they're destructive or not.

Re:The ACLU Asks in 1934: Shall We Defend Free Speech for Na... by syshum on Friday August 18, 2017 @07:34AM (#15045248)
>>Who determines whether something is destructive to society?

This is a key question people want to avoid

Every group has their own idea as to what is destructive to society, Ask Anti-fa they will tell it is the White Supremacists, Ask the White Supremacists and they will tell you it is Anti-fa

Ask me and I will tell you it is both...

Ask Christians and they will give you a whole list of speech that is destructive,

Ask Atheists and they will give you a whole list of speech that is destructive,

Ask <insert group>, and they will give you a whole list of speech that is destructive,

So who is right? None of them.... not even me.

What is actually destructive to society is Censorship... Both by government and by society at large

Re:The ACLU Asks in 1934: Shall We Defend Free Speech for Na... by appleflaxen on Friday August 18, 2017 @07:29AM (#15045226)
What did Charlottesville have to do with speech? They ran over a young woman with a car.

Can you prevent violence by preventing speech? Yes, for sure, but where do you draw the line?

If nothing else, I hope trump's presidency teaches us all that the government should not be the one to decide what's ok to say.

those who willingly give up freedom for safety will end up with neither.

Re:The ACLU Asks in 1934: Shall We Defend Free Speech for Na... by bhickey on Friday August 18, 2017 @07:35AM (#15045254)
Hitler didn't take over Germany because he had the best words. He was enabled, among other things, by complicit Bavarian judges who refused to lop off his head for treason.
Re:The ACLU Asks in 1934: Shall We Defend Free Speech for Na... by KekDemaga on Friday August 18, 2017 @07:02AM (#15045112)
The paradox of tolerance is that in order to be extremely tolerant to some you must become intolerant of others, it has nothing to do with violence.
Re:The ACLU Asks in 1934: Shall We Defend Free Speech for Na... by DarkKomunalec on Friday August 18, 2017 @07:27AM (#15045222)
> there is a time and place to analyze ideas destructive to open society

Just like there's a time and place to question the war effort, right? Besides, some people want closed borders, not an open society - why should only ideas that favour openness be allowed?