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Re:Making Visible Watermarks More Effective by Retric on Thursday August 17, 2017 @03:35PM (#15040079)
Averaging will still provide the average watermark given a large enough sample set. Which is then a single geometric transformation from the used watermark. Estimating that transformation for a specific image should be fairly straightforward as they could easily reverse a watermark that was offset. At which point it's reversible.
Re:Making Visible Watermarks More Effective by pps43 on Thursday August 17, 2017 @04:24PM (#15040589)
Not really, because in each image parts of the watermark will be in different places. You don't even need to warp the watermark to achieve that, it's enough to randomly reposition it.
Re:Making Visible Watermarks More Effective by Dylan16807 on Friday August 18, 2017 @01:01AM (#15043713)
It has crisp edges. If the same watermark is repositioned it's trivial to figure out the adjustment and remove it. Warping is harder but still largely doable by finding each part of the watermark's exact location.
Re:Making Visible Watermarks More Effective by Retric on Thursday August 17, 2017 @06:20PM (#15041594)
Supose you have 4 points on a box. If you randomly increase or decrease the location of each point by some random value say +-3% then averaged 100,000 of those boxes, you get a smaller box(1) surrounded by a larger increasingly blurry box. This is true even if no single picture shows that single smaller box, but it will show up on the average.

(1) Rather than a true box the midpoints are going to be slightly buldging, but with a large sample set it's very close to a box.

Sure, you can get into cat and mouse games ever stranger geometry. But, the water mark is limited by how much it distracts from the image.

Re:Making Visible Watermarks More Effective by pps43 on Thursday August 17, 2017 @08:55PM (#15042543)
The article shows the result of this approach, and it clearly does not work well.
Re:Making Visible Watermarks More Effective by Retric on Friday August 18, 2017 @08:07AM (#15045394)
As I said you need a new step: "Estimating that transformation for a specific image should be fairly straightforward".

It does show a good average and simply moving the watermark was easily reversible suggesting detection of a watermark in an image was easy.