> For example, society can start firing people who make arguments against free speech. We could start banning their accounts on the internet, and refusing to serve them at restaurants.

Yep, and at that point the only recourse you would have would be the government, right?

> Your freedom to support censorship doesn't mean that you are free from consequences! ;)

Your smugness suggests that you think this is surprising to me, rather than being my entire point. Businesses will do whatever they want, in their own self-interest. If we want them to do something else because we as a society value something like free speech, your options are to ignore it or to pass a law. If you're concerned about CloudFlare's ability to censor the internet, take it up with the government, because CloudFlare's commitment to free speech is good only as long as it makes business sense for them.

Perhaps we could make a law.

But at this point I think that it be better to just have a free market retaliatory war of "social consequences". IE, the pro censorship people get named and shamed and fired from their jobs (starting with the most extreme first)

Then the pro censorship people would try to fix the problem with laws, ect.

Hey if that's what gets you going go for it. I think you'll find that most people will be way less willing to fire an employee for being a nazi than for being pro nazi social consequences. Wonder why that is.

Edit: I had it backwards, obviously. I meant to say that most employers would find it much easier to fire a Nazi than someone who thinks Nazi's should be censored...

Uhh, no. What you do is go after the Anarchists/hard core leftists/communists, who have beliefs that are equivalent to nazi beliefs.

IE, the revolutionary leftists who have publicly stated things like "The liberals get the bullet too".

Go look up that liberal phrase. It is actually quite common, among leftists.

Radical leftist rhetoric is very violent these days, and is an interesting read. It is all about overthrowing the capitalist, imperialist "system", getting rid of civil rights, the "dictatorship of the proletariat", and killing those that are the "enemies" of leftists (which can range anywhere from literal Nazis, to "Trump Supporters",to Capitalists, to "liberals" who just support civil rights).

Finding leftists who publicly call for mass murder is really easy. I mean, just look at all the people who publicly supported that guy who shot up a bunch of republican congressmen.

Again... it's pretty obvious that being a black block protester or antifa can get you fired. That's the entire point of dressing in black and evading the police. They're perfectly aware that they're taking extra legal measures...

> who have beliefs that are equivalent to nazi beliefs

That's an interesting equivalence you've drawn there. Which races do they believe in exterminating again? I forgot.

> publicly stated

Where?

> "The liberals get the bullet too". > Go look up that liberal phrase. It is actually quite common, among leftists.

Liberals say that liberals get the bullet too?

I had never actually heard that phrase before so I googled it. I can't seem to find anything about it from before 2017, so it seems like it got famous due to a piece of graffiti from earlier this year. While I don't doubt that there are people on the far left that say this kind of thing, I think they're pretty fringe and are more bark than bite. In reality these people actually vote for people like Bernie Sanders and Jeremy Corbyn.

> Radical leftist rhetoric is very violent these days, and is an interesting read. It is all about overthrowing the capitalist, imperialist "system", getting rid of civil rights, the "dictatorship of the proletariat", and killing those that are the "enemies" of leftists (which can range anywhere from literal Nazis, to "Trump Supporters",to Capitalists, to "liberals" who just support civil rights).

No offense, but your exposure to "leftism" seems pretty new and based on social media. Please do share what you're reading though...

> Finding leftists who publicly call for mass murder is really easy. I mean, just look at all the people who publicly supported that guy who shot up a bunch of republican congressmen.

Do people with their real names do that on twitter (I assume you're talking about twitter)? Or just eggs, like on the far right?

What's really concerning to me is that the white nationalists and neo nazis are out without hoods or masks. They are not afraid of having their pictures taken. They think they can be weekend nazis.

" Which races do they believe in exterminating again? I forgot."

I'd put it in the 10s of millions of people is the amount of people that they want exterminated.

It would include all bourgeois, petite bourgeois (ie small business owners), as well as anyone else that would oppose them in an attempted overthrowing of the capitalist system as their attempted "dictatorship of the proletariat", as well as anyone who supported the current "imperialist regime" of our capitalist system. IE, probably most police officers, soldiers, and politicians.

So yes, in terms of total number of people that they want to kill, I'd say it is about equivalent in badness to literal Nazis.

"Liberals say that liberals get the bullet too?"

Ah, see, here is the confusion. You don't spend much time listening to leftists. (Otherwise you'd get the "liberal" reference)

In communist and anarchist circles, a "liberal" is not in reference to an american leftist. They are talking about classical "liberals" as in someone who support civil rights and civil liberties, and the capitalist system. The "liberals" are the enemy.

Bernie Sanders and Corbyn are not socialists to these people. Neither is Norway, or Sweden or European social democracies. You are only a socialist if you believe in the violent confiscation of the means of production, and the overthrowing of the imperial capitalist system.

Modern day Venezuela is the kind country that they support, but they don't even think that Venezuela went far enough, and don't even think it is correct to call Venezuela socialist.

Go read reddit /r/socialism and /r/Anarchism and read the comments to understand what leftists believe.

I read them every day. It is enlightening.

> Ah, see, here is the confusion. You don't spend much time listening to leftists.

No I understand I was making fun of your typo. You meant to say that "leftists say that liberals get the bullet to"

Honestly I think you go meet with some actual American socialists you'll find that they're a lot more moderate than the teenagers and shut ins who post on political subreddits. It's like turning to Twitter for an an "average American opinion." Small communities on places like Reddit and Twitter are not proxies for entire groups of people. Just like /r/The_Donald hardly actually represents all Trump supporters, just a vocal subset that gets the most attention.