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Re:Ask a Female Engineer: Thoughts on the Google Memo by onion2k on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @05:06PM (#15022580)
I've met engineers who have expressed a belief that women are often hired if the recruiter found them attractive, and that those women shouldn't have been hired. While those engineers are able to find employment there will always be places where women don't feel welcome, even with diversity programs in place. It is simply the case that some engineers are grossly sexist and will always think a woman has been hired for some other reason beside technical merit if they have an opportunity to. If Damore can't see that then he hasn't enough experience to be talking about hiring.
Re:Ask a Female Engineer: Thoughts on the Google Memo by e9 on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @09:38PM (#15024326)
Google doesn't operate that way, they has strict hiring policies and procedures. Recruiter or anyone else has no way to influence hiring without doing something shady (doing selective interview like what Damore claimed they were doing).
Re:Ask a Female Engineer: Thoughts on the Google Memo by tedivm on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @09:52PM (#15024373)
Damore literally said they were "lowering the bar". You can't have it both ways here.
Re:Ask a Female Engineer: Thoughts on the Google Memo by Cogito on Wednesday August 16, 2017 @12:00AM (#15024851)
He said "Hiring practices which can effectively lower the bar for “diversity” candidates by decreasing the false negative rate".

He did not say they were lowering the bar, but that by rejecting (proportionally) a greater number of qualified male candidates than qualified female candidates, the bar is effectively lowered.

If what he says is true, that there is a higher false negative rate for men, it's hard to imagine a system where the bar isn't effectively lowered.

The one possibility I saw argued elsewhere is that you could take all qualified men, and randomly reject some of them. At that point, you would expect the bar to be level.

If however you rejected qualified men in a non-random way, which is more plausible, the effect would be to change the bar.

I hadn't ever really thought about this kind of selection effect on the statistics of populations, so would love to hear if this sounds wrong or what the real expected outcome should be.