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Re:Ask HN: Where does one find true entry level development ... by tchaffee on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @12:52PM (#15019921)
> every "junior" job there wants 5+ years of experience.

That sentence is the important clue you need. If you are still a junior programmer after 5+ years experience, there is probably something wrong. You should mostly ignore the job requirements in terms of the years of experience they want.

There are even plenty of inside jokes around this. Jobs asking for 10 years javascript experience a couple of years after javascript was released!

Either they are looking for a senior programmer and are hoping to pay junior programmer rates (possible) or they are just putting their list of ideal requirements (more likely).

Sometimes the requirements aren't even written by IT staff, HR writes the requirements, and HR doesn't have a clue about IT.

Unfortunately, this means that it's very difficult to filter for "true" entry level jobs.

Applying to jobs is mostly a numbers game. Unless the job makes it clear that you need to be a senior developer, or a team lead, then just apply. Before traveling to an interview, see if you can set up an initial phone interview. If the interviewer doesn't do a great job of screening you, ask questions yourself to try to understand your responsibilities better. Will you be working under a senior programmer? That's a good sign that they aren't looking for someone who can work 100% independently and that they are willing to mentor you.

Re:Ask HN: Where does one find true entry level development ... by ouid on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @12:58PM (#15019999)
I suspect they are encouraging people to lie on their applications, which gives companies a defense to any sort of fired for cause lawsuit.
Re:Ask HN: Where does one find true entry level development ... by tchaffee on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @01:29PM (#15020343)
Really? That sounds a little paranoid. I always just tell the truth on the interview and application. "You asked for 5+ years experience, but I only have 6 months. I'm willing to learn if you are willing to train me".
Re:Ask HN: Where does one find true entry level development ... by ouid on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @01:48PM (#15020533)
How is that paranoid? You think there is a perfectly reasonable explanation for asking for more experience with a technology than is physically possible?
Re:Ask HN: Where does one find true entry level development ... by borisj on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @01:55PM (#15020621)
Yes, incompetence. I bet that such a defense would have trouble in court considering that your resume and interview would ideally cover the true amount of years of experience.
Re:Ask HN: Where does one find true entry level development ... by striking on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @01:56PM (#15020637)
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"
Re:Ask HN: Where does one find true entry level development ... by crypticlizard on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @04:37PM (#15022219)
It's not malice, it's business and legal acumen.
Re:Ask HN: Where does one find true entry level development ... by tchaffee on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @08:31PM (#15024016)
If that's what the legal department recommended to me as a business owner to add in protections for being able to fire employees, I would fire the legal department.

How many applicants will be inspired to lie because of my absurd requirement on the job spec? Of those applicants, how many will I hire? Do I only hire applicants who have lied in order to be protected so I can later fire them? I wouldn't hire someone who lied on their application in the first place!

I've never had a legal department recommend something so silly as this, and I challenge you to find one that does. If you want certain protections for the company in an employment agreement, you put them in a contract.

Re:Ask HN: Where does one find true entry level development ... by ouid on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @02:11PM (#15020783)
"never say never"
Re:Ask HN: Where does one find true entry level development ... by striking on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @02:20PM (#15020875)
Bieber's Razor?
Re:Ask HN: Where does one find true entry level development ... by khedoros1 on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @02:13PM (#15020803)
They're either looking for a purple squirrel (like trying to hire the original developer of the technology), trying to move someone internally into a position that requires them to also seek outside candidates (by making the requirements impossible to fulfill), or dev told HR they needed someone with "X" experience for a senior role, and HR translated that to "10 years experience with X" (X having been out for 2 years).

There are three of the standard answers that come up any time this topic does.

Re:Ask HN: Where does one find true entry level development ... by ouid on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @02:17PM (#15020838)
I would say the next step here is to look at who actually gets hired, but I have no way of accessing that.
Re:Ask HN: Where does one find true entry level development ... by jldugger on Wednesday August 16, 2017 @01:46PM (#15029518)
If we're going for impossible, then it sounds more like the old H1-B 'we couldn't find any qualified applicants' trick.