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Re:Snap sold fewer than 42K Spectacles, down 35% in Q2 by acchow on Monday August 14, 2017 @05:49PM (#15013311)
Bluetooth working great for Apple AirPods. I think Snapchat is having a software problem.
Re:Snap sold fewer than 42K Spectacles, down 35% in Q2 by jjoonathan on Monday August 14, 2017 @06:14PM (#15013505)
I agree that it's a software problem, but most vendors aren't in apple's position of controlling every single link of the chain.

I do think it'll get better over time. NFC/tap pairing will eventually replace Menu + Manual Madness, show-stopping bugs will get fixed, capability sets will stabilize, conventions will develop to smooth over variation in UI choices, "worse is better" decisions will be unwound, and eventually it'll be a smooth experience and people will wonder how they ever lived with wires. If my own experiences are typical of even a tiny minority of users, however, that day is still disappointingly far off.

Re:Snap sold fewer than 42K Spectacles, down 35% in Q2 by jorvi on Monday August 14, 2017 @08:53PM (#15014440)
Apple will probably do the Bluetooth equivalent to what they did with earphones: they switched the mic and ground wire, forcing earphone manufacturers to either support iOS or TRRS on the built-in remotes. I love my Macbook Pro and iPhone, but Apple can be a truly infuriating company.
Re:Snap sold fewer than 42K Spectacles, down 35% in Q2 by pdimitar on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @02:36PM (#15021021)
You must definitely add investor pressure in all of this, and if history is of any indication, that pressure can and will kill any creative efforts. It's all about being first to market, making a big buck and having a lucrative exit nowadays.

Nobody is interested in the tech becoming more comfortable.

Re:Snap sold fewer than 42K Spectacles, down 35% in Q2 by Rjevski on Monday August 14, 2017 @07:55PM (#15014137)
I think the problem is that in this case Bluetooth is just not fast enough to transfer large amounts of video data. What they should do is use BT to negotiate details of an ad-hoc Wi-Fi network and use that larger pipe to send the actual data.
Re:Snap sold fewer than 42K Spectacles, down 35% in Q2 by cornstalks on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @01:57AM (#15015873)
You basically just described Bluetooth 3.0 + HS[1]. The Bluetooth connection is used to establish an 802.11 link, over which data is transferred. It's only (up to) 24 Mbit/s, so it's still slower than some (direct) Wi-Fi alternatives, but it's much faster than normal Bluetooth connections.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth#Bluetooth_3.0_.2B_HS

Re:Snap sold fewer than 42K Spectacles, down 35% in Q2 by omtinez on Monday August 14, 2017 @09:11PM (#15014529)
That is exactly how the Spectacles work. Bluetooth is only used for transfer as a fallback mechanism.
Re:Snap sold fewer than 42K Spectacles, down 35% in Q2 by acchow on Monday August 14, 2017 @08:05PM (#15014196)
Yup. This is how Wifi Direct and Apple's Airdrop work.
Re:Snap sold fewer than 42K Spectacles, down 35% in Q2 by lathiat on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @01:25AM (#15015740)
This random thing I found claims about 1-1.5MB/s possible at least using the multipeerconnectivity libraries. ~ 0.1MB/s for bluetooth-only.

https://github.com/thaliproject/Thali_CordovaPlugin/issues/1...

Re:Snap sold fewer than 42K Spectacles, down 35% in Q2 by semi-extrinsic on Monday August 14, 2017 @06:01PM (#15013405)
FWIW I recently bought a $30 waterproof bluetooth speaker that goes on my bike. Paired it once on first power up, it Just Works (tm) since.
Re:Snap sold fewer than 42K Spectacles, down 35% in Q2 by jjoonathan on Monday August 14, 2017 @06:19PM (#15013540)
I just bought $40 bluetooth earbuds that required RTFMing to pair, don't hold the pair between workouts, take a minute to perform the ritual, and use friction to anchor themselves to my ear so thy fall off the moment I start sweating. Oh, and they need to be recharged.

I have similar stories for every single bluetooth device that I have ever tried, which amounts to probably a dozen peripherals and half that many hosts. I've had fleeting moments of "it's magic" to punctuate the sea of crap so I'm fully on board with the potential of the technology, but it has continued to mature at an obnoxiously slow rate.

Re:Snap sold fewer than 42K Spectacles, down 35% in Q2 by schrodinger on Monday August 14, 2017 @08:09PM (#15014228)
Try AirPods. I've been every happy with them!
Re:Snap sold fewer than 42K Spectacles, down 35% in Q2 by acchow on Monday August 14, 2017 @08:47PM (#15014420)
Your bluetooth speaker setup works great for precisely your scenario - the speaker is paired with one only device.

It gets wonky if that single speaker has paired with multiple devices before. For example in a home, where you've paired it with your laptop, phone, iPad, etc. Try it out. Audio will cut off sometimes suddenly when it decides to switch pairing partners as another paired device appears in range.

Re:Snap sold fewer than 42K Spectacles, down 35% in Q2 by NKCSS on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @02:21AM (#15015968)
I have a Sony bluetooth headset and it's amazing. It was around €65, lasts 40 hours of use (so charge once a week- every 2-3 weeks depending on usage), pairs with 3 devices and does it very well. I often move to another floor while having them on (construction work) or go out to the shed while the iPhone is in the bedroom on a charger, and it still works 10 meters in the yard. Best thing I've ever purchased, so there are good Bluetooth solutions.
Re:Snap sold fewer than 42K Spectacles, down 35% in Q2 by NKCSS on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @03:18AM (#15016167)
If the device it was connected to last is available, it will reconnect to that.

To connect to a different one, hold the button longer and press connect on the other device.

I use it on my iPhone, Android tablet and Windows 10 PC

Re:Snap sold fewer than 42K Spectacles, down 35% in Q2 by acchow on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @02:30AM (#15015998)
what do you mean by "pairs with 3 devices and does it very well"

So I have an iPad, macbook, and iPhone in my room all turned on at the same time. All with bluetooth on. All have been paired with the speaker.

I now turn on the bluetooth speaker.

How does it decide which device to connect to? Amazingly, it is always the wrong one. Every single time.

Re:Snap sold fewer than 42K Spectacles, down 35% in Q2 by zild3d on Monday August 14, 2017 @08:02PM (#15014183)
airpods aren't transmitting video, not a fair comparison at all.