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Re:Evercoin: A cryptocurrency exchange platform by uncletammy on Monday August 14, 2017 @12:16PM (#15009802)
Oh, so it's like https://shapeshift.io/ except subject to the arbitrary and Orwellian US financial regulations!

All jokes aside, I'm not knocking Evercoin. It looks beautiful and I welcome anyone and everyone who wants to bring liquidity to crypto markets. I'm just concerned about the sustainability of any platform based in the US. Maybe Evercoin knows something I don't though.

I feel like the smartest thing we can do is exactly what Bitfinex has done. Shut out US customers and put pressure on regulators to be sensible.

Re:Evercoin: A cryptocurrency exchange platform by corford on Monday August 14, 2017 @02:42PM (#15011294)
Pick your poison I guess. Skimming Shapeshift's T&Cs, it seems their maximum liability to you is $50. So if you want to convert 1BTC to ETH (for example) and something goes wrong at Shapeshift's end and they don't transmit ETH back to you, the best you can hope for out of them is $50. They also put you on the hook for uncapped admin fees at their discretion.

Finally, there's no company info in their T&Cs (just a vague mention that they are incorporated in Zug, Switzerland).

So... all dandy when it works. Pretty scary if shit goes wrong and you were doing a largish trade at the time.

Edit: I have no affiliation with Evercoin or Shapeshift (learnt about both in this thread)

Re:Evercoin: A cryptocurrency exchange platform by komaromy on Monday August 14, 2017 @01:52PM (#15010772)
Shapeshift is very convenient but the fees are exorbitant compared to other platforms.
Re:Evercoin: A cryptocurrency exchange platform by xur17 on Monday August 14, 2017 @01:56PM (#15010830)
And Evercoin's fees are even higher.
Re:Evercoin: A cryptocurrency exchange platform by gst on Monday August 14, 2017 @03:10PM (#15011686)
I just tried placing an order and Evercoin's fees appear to be significantly lower.

Shapeshift: 1 BTC -> 14.20477011 ETH

Evercoin: 1 BTC -> 14.25967407 ETH

Changelly: 1 BTC -> 14.35434362 ETH

While Changelly appears to have the best rate they don't guarantee the rate. In my experience the actual rate is often much worse than the estimated rate (and unfortunately it's too late to cancel once you see the rate).

Re:Evercoin: A cryptocurrency exchange platform by xur17 on Monday August 14, 2017 @03:29PM (#15011928)
I was originally testing BCC to BTC, so it looks like it depends upon what you are exchanging:

Shapeshift: 1 BCC -> 0.06773499 BTC

Evercoin: 1 BCC -> 0.06682701 BTC

Re:Evercoin: A cryptocurrency exchange platform by clemens2000 on Monday August 14, 2017 @06:37PM (#15013659)
Maybe someone should build a Kayak for Bitcoin exchanges, that picks the cheapest exchange for each trade...
Re:Evercoin: A cryptocurrency exchange platform by ufotarikati on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @05:43AM (#15016739)
Writing the formula for you

1) pick the cheapest exchange 2) sell at expensive exchange price 3) add commission 4) add network fees

Re:Evercoin: A cryptocurrency exchange platform by tstyle on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @12:33PM (#15019741)
The formula is more complicated than this. Services such as shapeshift.io guarantee the price for 10 minutes, as well as sending purchased tokens almost instantaneously. To accomplish this means keeping inventory and becoming vulnerable to volatility risk and liquidity risk.

Picking a reasonable bid-ask spread is hard, and probably involves more input factors than the 4 you listed above.

Re:Evercoin: A cryptocurrency exchange platform by xur17 on Monday August 14, 2017 @07:06PM (#15013835)
That thought definitely crossed my mind...
Re:Evercoin: A cryptocurrency exchange platform by xseven on Monday August 14, 2017 @05:50PM (#15013317)
They're all going away after cross-chain atomic swaps become THE thing.
Re:Evercoin: A cryptocurrency exchange platform by gst on Monday August 14, 2017 @05:54PM (#15013349)
Yes. XCAT is definitely the way forward for transactions that involve only XCAT-compatible chains. Especially as it can be implemented either in a pure P2P fashion or with trustless exchanges, resulting in zero or very low fees.
Re:Evercoin: A cryptocurrency exchange platform by tryingagainbro on Monday August 14, 2017 @05:52PM (#15013331)
>> except subject to the arbitrary and Orwellian US financial regulations!

abiding by those seems to be the only recipe for long term. Otherwise you're talking about living in interesting times. Never know when or how they come for you

Re:Evercoin: A cryptocurrency exchange platform by uncletammy on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @04:08AM (#15016351)
Widespread global liquidity on an in invisible commodity that has high demand all across the world is a complete game changer.

In the very long run, I think state funded consumer protection organizations will become obsolete. I only hope we can educate consumers as quickly as we've created the networks. Otherwise, a lot of people will get hurt.

Either way we live in interesting times.

Re:Evercoin: A cryptocurrency exchange platform by erikpukinskis on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @07:05PM (#15023547)
When you say consumer protection, you mean the SEC?

How does crypto make the SEC go away? If you want to live in the US, sure you could have a computer in your closet on a VPN running an exchange, but all of that needs to be on the books when you need to write a check to your kids private school.

I think it's more likely there will continue to be a black market and a white market. The black market will be bigger, and easier to use undetected. But you still will need to launder that money if you want to pay for your daughters ski trip. And not everybody has an appetite for felonies. The market of people who would prefer not to commit a felony is quite large actually.

What am I missing? How do you picture a world without an SEC?

The only way I can imagine is is if other muncipalities without as much regulation can show cryptocontracts can provide insurance that is so good and cheap the regulatory bodies are proved unnecessary, then that puts competitive pressure on more regulated economies. But... Fraud is a Hegelian arms race for the hearts and minds of naive investors. I just don't see how crypto contracts solve that, not in the next 100 years anyway. Maybe when teenagers are doing ICOs to pay for their lattes.

Re:Evercoin: A cryptocurrency exchange platform by chatmasta on Monday August 14, 2017 @02:33PM (#15011203)
The gambling industry tried that ~10 years ago, but it's still very difficult to gamble online with a us bank account, so I'm not sure how well it worked.
Re:Evercoin: A cryptocurrency exchange platform by zeep on Monday August 14, 2017 @09:20PM (#15014578)
Btc-e was was not based in the US and see what happened?
Re:Evercoin: A cryptocurrency exchange platform by uncletammy on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @03:48AM (#15016261)
I don't actually. Tell me what you think happened with BTC-E. I'm aware of the recent headlines but I feel like it's way too early to know the whole story.
Re:Evercoin: A cryptocurrency exchange platform by zeep on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @09:23AM (#15017945)