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Re:Bitcoin Surpasses $4,000, Reaches Another Milestone by marcell on Sunday August 13, 2017 @02:09AM (#15001741)
There is an interesting discussion between Hal Finney and Satoshi in 2009 about the possible value of bitcoin. This is back when it was just a random software project, and had zero value: http://diswww.mit.edu/bloom-picayune/crypto/142207

    As an amusing thought experiment, imagine that 
    Bitcoin is successful and becomes the dominant payment
    system in use throughout the world.  Then the total
    value of the currency should be equal to the total 
    value of all the wealth in the world. Current estimates
    of total worldwide household wealth that I have found
    range from $100 trillion to $300 trillion. With
    20 million coins, that gives each coin a value of
    about $10 million.
Re:Bitcoin Surpasses $4,000, Reaches Another Milestone by beefield on Sunday August 13, 2017 @02:29AM (#15001785)
And why, exactly, total value of currency should equal total amount of wealth? What exactly is the contradiction, arbitrage or other mechanism that sets total value of currency to total amount of wealth?
Re:Bitcoin Surpasses $4,000, Reaches Another Milestone by nostrademons on Sunday August 13, 2017 @02:54AM (#15001838)
It's not, actually - the total value of all physical $USD (M0) is only about $3.8T, vs. the figure of $100-300T given for total wealth (which seems low to me, BTW).

The actual truth is even weirder: if Bitcoin takes over as the world currency, its value in $USD will be infinite, but the question will be meaningless, as the dollar will be worthless. Currencies tend to be winner-take-all within a society; if one takes over, its rivals lose all value, as their only value is in being a medium of exchange and store of value.

This is perhaps a contributory factor to the Bitcoin's volatility: if you actually believe it's going to succeed, unambiguously, the rational thing to do is to move all your wealth to Bitcoin. And similarly, if you believe it's going to fail, the currency by definition is worthless.

Re:Bitcoin Surpasses $4,000, Reaches Another Milestone by nimos on Sunday August 13, 2017 @03:41AM (#15001965)
There are 164 national currencies in the world. The USD is the defaco world currency and the USD is not worth infinite of other currencies and the rest are certainty not worthless.

I think the US government tolerates crypocurrencies because realistically they are far more damaging to countries like Venezula and China who have much more restrictive economies and in those countries the flexibility of bitcoin is a huge advantage.

How many aircraft carries does bitcoin have? 0. Which (in my opinion) happens to be the exact same chance of bitcoin usurping the USD as a global currency short of some fundamental change in world power.

Re:Bitcoin Surpasses $4,000, Reaches Another Milestone by nostrademons on Sunday August 13, 2017 @12:49PM (#15003647)
The thought experiment explicitly implies BitCoin usurping the $USD as a global currency, and presumably all other ones as well. I'd agree with your assessment of which countries/currencies are realistically much more likely to suffer, but thought I'd engage with the thought experiment on its original premise.

On the aircraft carrier issue - the killer app (literally) for cryptocurrencies is autonomous weapon systems. Imagine if you could deposit $Xm Bitcoins into an address and have access to a fleet of 100,000 drones on 10,000 speedboats. At that point, we're really in uncharted territory, though.

Re:Bitcoin Surpasses $4,000, Reaches Another Milestone by honestlyreally on Sunday August 13, 2017 @02:47AM (#15001827)
The original assumption was just world cash supply (M0), include all m3 supply and you in for a surprise.

Who creates money is the best answer to your questions.

Re:Bitcoin Surpasses $4,000, Reaches Another Milestone by beefield on Sunday August 13, 2017 @11:32AM (#15003290)
You mean (US) M3 equals (US) wealth? Why? Can you back that claim with statistics?
Re:Bitcoin Surpasses $4,000, Reaches Another Milestone by danieltillett on Sunday August 13, 2017 @03:36AM (#15001955)
Does anyone think the current owners of capital are going to sit by and let their powers and wealth be destroyed? If bitcoin were ever likely to become close to being the dominant payment system it will be outlawed with "extreme prejudice".
Re:Bitcoin Surpasses $4,000, Reaches Another Milestone by EliRivers on Sunday August 13, 2017 @11:58AM (#15003397)
Do the current owners of capital principally hold their money in cash? If they're holding their money in ownership of companies and things, then their wealth wouldn't be destroyed as (current) monies became displaced by bitcoin.
Re:Bitcoin Surpasses $4,000, Reaches Another Milestone by danieltillett on Sunday August 13, 2017 @04:19PM (#15004723)
No they mostly own assets, but they need control over the money supply to ensure they don't lose control of the assets. How would the GFC gone if they did not have control of the money supply?
Re:Bitcoin Surpasses $4,000, Reaches Another Milestone by EliRivers on Monday August 14, 2017 @03:22AM (#15007080)
I'm not convinced. If I own a row of houses, bitcoin displacing dollars won't change that.
Re:Bitcoin Surpasses $4,000, Reaches Another Milestone by danieltillett on Monday August 14, 2017 @05:57AM (#15007566)
If you just own a row of houses you are not part of the 0.01% who are in control of the money supply.
Re:Bitcoin Surpasses $4,000, Reaches Another Milestone by EliRivers on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @02:52PM (#15021187)
If I own so many houses (or other such assets that aren't simply a pile of dollar bills) that I'm part of the 0.01% (since you've changed the argument from "owners of capital" to "0.01%"), the dollar being displaced by the bitcoin as currency of choice doesn't change that.
Re:Bitcoin Surpasses $4,000, Reaches Another Milestone by danieltillett on Thursday August 17, 2017 @08:10AM (#15035951)
It does when the interest rate you have to pay on the mortgages you have over the properties can no longer be controlled. If you were the owner of many houses in 2007 and we used bitcoin rather than dollars you would have been in for a world of pain.
Re:Bitcoin Surpasses $4,000, Reaches Another Milestone by gfody on Sunday August 13, 2017 @05:26AM (#15002220)
Nah someone just needs to gift Donald Trump a fat stack of it and it'll be recognized as genuine legal tender in no time.
Re:Bitcoin Surpasses $4,000, Reaches Another Milestone by taysic on Sunday August 13, 2017 @02:11PM (#15004086)
I think Bitcoin has potential but the majority of people do not want their everyday currency to change value everyday
Re:Bitcoin Surpasses $4,000, Reaches Another Milestone by olegkikin on Sunday August 13, 2017 @06:54PM (#15005432)
Every currency changes its value every day. Every minute even.

Plus I don't think anybody would mind if their currency tends to increase in value.