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Re:YouTube AI deletes war crimes evidence as 'extremist mate... by giancarlostoro on Saturday August 12, 2017 @01:25PM (#14998846)
That is a little insane... Makes me wish there was some sort of website that archived specific YouTube videos marked as historical or criminal evidence or some sort of qualification, as long as they don't abuse copyright just to make sure if places like YouTube delete them they can remain. Or a service that uploads to multiple video streaming sources at once (though I imagine these might violate the TOS of YouTube for w/e reason).

Kind of sad where you have video evidence being deleted by YouTube. It would be nice if they allowed some sort of option for political type videos like these to actually be uploaded by users, especially if the original uploader was killed, to be downloaded with metadata (upload date to youtube, youtuber username, etc) so anyone can reupload it elsewhere.

Another case where I wish TPB had made their own YouTube clone already. I'm sure they would of not taken down these sort of videos.

Wondering where Wikileaks is in these sort of cases? Do they download these sort of videos? That begs the question: why don't they? It seems right up their own alley. I don't always agree with them, nor do I digest their content but at the very least for a site like theirs it would make sense for them to archive YouTube and other politically sensitive videos no?

Re:YouTube AI deletes war crimes evidence as 'extremist mate... by aiyodev on Saturday August 12, 2017 @03:30PM (#14999541)
Not to pick on you because this seems to be a popular opinion but I would just like to point out the insanity of your what you just wrote.

"as long as they don't abuse copyright"

Would we delete videos of the liberation of concentration camps if there was Nickelback music playing in the background? This just demonstrates how successful media companies have been in distorting the true purpose of copyright laws: to promote science, art, and culture for the public's benefit. It does not exist for fairness or personal gain. Copyright laws should be changed to better reflect this. Nobody should be able to silence any information that has a public benefit.

Re:YouTube AI deletes war crimes evidence as 'extremist mate... by Spivak on Saturday August 12, 2017 @04:20PM (#14999758)
Like, Nickelback is in the original footage or someone overalyed the track on top of the footage? I would imagine if this ever really happened it would be fine in the former, and muted in the latter.

You're forgetting that 'promote...' means give the creator control of that content for the purpose of limiting access and making money. Promote in the sense that it becomes possible to actually sell artistic works like commodities. And then once the value has ben extracted the public can do what they please with it.

Re:YouTube AI deletes war crimes evidence as 'extremist mate... by oh_sigh on Sunday August 13, 2017 @12:30AM (#15001488)
Not quite on the level of concentration camp liberation videos, but wasn't there a video of a 2 year old dancing that had like a 20 second clip of some popular song playing on the radio in very low quality in the background, and it got deleted for copyright infringement?

I think this was the video, but it is obviously back up now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1KfJHFWlhQ

Re:YouTube AI deletes war crimes evidence as 'extremist mate... by tripzilch on Sunday August 13, 2017 @01:56PM (#15004004)
> Like, Nickelback is in the original footage or someone overalyed the track on top of the footage? I would imagine if this ever really happened it would be fine in the former, and muted in the latter.

While I agree that would be the most sensible course of action, if this in reality happened right now, the whole video would be deleted in both cases, automatically (assuming it's clear enough to trigger detection in the first example).

Re:YouTube AI deletes war crimes evidence as 'extremist mate... by softawre on Monday August 14, 2017 @03:59PM (#15012264)
Nope, today they mute the audio.
Re:YouTube AI deletes war crimes evidence as 'extremist mate... by josinalvo on Saturday August 12, 2017 @05:09PM (#14999977)
And we just need 140 years to extract it! :P
Re:YouTube AI deletes war crimes evidence as 'extremist mate... by giancarlostoro on Sunday August 13, 2017 @02:42PM (#15004245)
I only mentioned the copyright thing, because whatever site archives YouTube videos shouldn't focus on archiving all of YouTube just specific segments of it, though it might not be a bad idea to archive a good chunk of YouTube to avoid losing internet history / real world history. It'd be highly unlikely to be a factor if these videos were archived at politically targeted / history preserving archive sites though.
Re:YouTube AI deletes war crimes evidence as 'extremist mate... by icebraining on Saturday August 12, 2017 @03:21PM (#14999508)
An YouTube clone is expensive. TPB only hosts simple HTML pages (they no longer have torrent files, and even those were just a few KBs), not files with hundreds of MBs or more.

As others said, the Internet Archive may be a good option for these videos. I wouldn't mind writing a system for backing them up to archive.org, but I'm not sure how would I detect them. Marking those videos requires the user to know they should be marked, which just moves the question to how they would know.

Re:YouTube AI deletes war crimes evidence as 'extremist mate... by 4ad on Sunday August 13, 2017 @07:40AM (#15002521)
> A YouTube clone is expensive.

A YouTube clone that uses a clone of YouTube's infrastructure is expensive, but what about a distributed p2p YouTube clone?

Obviously it's hard to quantify, as it doesn't exist yet, but I think it's technologically feasible.

Re:YouTube AI deletes war crimes evidence as 'extremist mate... by afarrell on Sunday August 13, 2017 @07:56AM (#15002558)
Meaning, you just have data stored on people's hard drives?

That would be more expensive because

- You have a much higher failure rate of the storage media as people say "I'm running out of hard drive space. What should I get rid of?"

- You need to recruit those people to give up a resource that (unlike the spare compute cycles that SETI uses) they are likely currently using.

- You have to convince people to trust you to put arbitrary video content on their hard drives. Therefore, you need to have some process for deciding what video content is objectionable enough that you won't store it.

Re:YouTube AI deletes war crimes evidence as 'extremist mate... by 4ad on Sunday August 13, 2017 @09:50AM (#15002889)
> You have a much higher failure rate of the storage media as people say "I'm running out of hard drive space. What should I get rid of?"

Not really, because data is replicated between many people. People can delete it and other people would still have it.

> You need to recruit those people to give up a resource that (unlike the spare compute cycles that SETI uses) they are likely currently using.

It's no different than people seeding torrents or people just using ipfs. Simply accessing the system would transparently increase availability. In fact, ipfs is probably suited as-is.

> You have to convince people to trust you to put arbitrary video content on their hard drives. Therefore, you need to have some process for deciding what video content is objectionable enough that you won't store it.

No, data will become more accessible as people would consume it. People only need to understand how the system works, they don't need to trust "me" (whoever you refer as "you" in your post).

As I said, ipfs probably works as-is.

Re:YouTube AI deletes war crimes evidence as 'extremist mate... by afarrell on Monday August 14, 2017 @07:11PM (#15013870)
> because data is replicated between many people

Yes, so you are designing a distributed system with a higher failure rate of the underlying media. That means you need more replication, so you need more people to donate space.

Re:YouTube AI deletes war crimes evidence as 'extremist mate... by lightedman on Sunday August 13, 2017 @10:33AM (#15003045)
"what about a distributed p2p YouTube clone"

Same reason Bitcoin and its ilk can't scale. Decentralization throws in essentially a log x exp growth rate on bandwidth and storage for every additional peer on the network. Technology can't keep pace, period.

Re:YouTube AI deletes war crimes evidence as 'extremist mate... by pmlnr on Sunday August 13, 2017 @04:42AM (#15002122)
> Makes me wish there was some sort of website that archived specific YouTube videos marked as historical or criminal evidence or some sort of qualification

Make one. Add it as warrior project to archive team; save them and re-upload them if they are deleted.

Unfortunately we all need to participate, because https://medium.com/message/never-trust-a-corporation-to-do-a...

Re:YouTube AI deletes war crimes evidence as 'extremist mate... by giancarlostoro on Sunday August 13, 2017 @03:11PM (#15004388)
Fair enough, been looking more into the projects from the Archive Team. They at least had one project, will have to see how functional it may or may not be.

https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/riptube

Re:YouTube AI deletes war crimes evidence as 'extremist mate... by LoSboccacc on Sunday August 13, 2017 @03:20AM (#15001908)
> Makes me wish there was some sort of website

Can't people just use liveleaks for that kind of videos?

Re:YouTube AI deletes war crimes evidence as 'extremist mate... by giancarlostoro on Sunday August 13, 2017 @02:46PM (#15004271)
I guess we need more education about online video hosting is also a factor, most people from other sides of the world will know mainly the most popular websites and the smaller ones (by comparison) might not be even heard of by these people.