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Re:Big brother is here, and his name is Facebook by newscracker on Saturday August 12, 2017 @12:38PM (#14998594)
You have listed all the reasons that make Android very valuable for Google. At the same time, do you believe Google can be as evil as Facebook? I personally believe it isn't and won't be (so it's just the lesser evil).

I wouldn't trust Facebook to not be evil, based on its poor track record on privacy and treating users badly as well as its highly ambitious and callous founder/CEO. I'm also sure that Facebook has been working on dismantling the Google ecosystem or bypassing it wherever possible to control and retain user attention.

Re:Big brother is here, and his name is Facebook by lobotryas on Saturday August 12, 2017 @12:48PM (#14998656)
> Google can be as evil as Facebook

Personally I believe Google _IS_ much worse than FB for one simple reason: it's much easier to avoid FB than Google.

With FB the story is simple. You'll miss out on some news/invites from FB-centric friends, but it's pretty easy to go without (or to even find new friends who aren't as hooked on FB as needed).

"Avoiding" Google in your daily life is much, much harder. Their free mail offering is still top-notch. Their search is absolutely incredible. Depending on what you do this list can go on and on. Also, these are things we can't really just "do without" like in FB's case. Alternatives do exist, but often are either paid or not as good.

Personally, I'n going to try and transition away from Google this year just to see how far I can get. Should be an interesting experiment.

Re:Big brother is here, and his name is Facebook by fao_ on Saturday August 12, 2017 @01:37PM (#14998906)
Some personal recommendations from a random Hacker News:

For mail I recommend: inventati.org (And if you use them please donate to them!)

For search I recommend: duckduckgo.com (Spend some time using the bang syntax-- such as !w for wikipedia pages --it makes life about 10x easier!

For maps I recommend: openstreetmaps.org

There are more on https://www.privacytools.io/

Re:Big brother is here, and his name is Facebook by TheSpiceIsLife on Saturday August 12, 2017 @02:06PM (#14999053)
If I can affect just one person here today...

Please please please stop using Gmail for important communication and account recovery (banking, mission critical services you maintain, etc etc).

Use a paid service from a reputable company who does that one thing only and does it well.

Too many Gmail horror stories.

Re:Big brother is here, and his name is Facebook by nytesky on Saturday August 12, 2017 @05:28PM (#15000077)
Can you recommend a paid email service that is reputable?
Re:Big brother is here, and his name is Facebook by dbrgn on Saturday August 12, 2017 @06:07PM (#15000285)
I can recommend Fastmail. No affiliation, just a happy customer. I've used Gmail for several years previously and thought I'd miss it when switching. I didn't.
Re:Big brother is here, and his name is Facebook by TheSpiceIsLife on Sunday August 13, 2017 @04:58AM (#15002162)
I also use Fastmail. No affiliations, just a content customer.

I pay for a mobile telephone service, but email is more important to me so my convictions necessitate a paid email service from a dedicated provider with a real support team.

I also own my own domain, primarily because now my email address is short and unambiguous to say over the phone.

Re:Big brother is here, and his name is Facebook by newscracker on Wednesday August 16, 2017 @01:22AM (#15025131)
Late reply, but I would recommend Posteo [1] because it's flexible and very cheap if you need multiple accounts. I switched to it a year ago to move out of Gmail and other "free" services.

Fastmail is, for my needs of a few mailboxes (each with its own credentials), very expensive - running into few hundred dollars a year!

Another similar and cheap alternative is Mailbox, which allows custom domains to be used.

Both the services allow IMAP, which was very important for me to have local copies of emails if I ever decide to migrate out.

[1]: https://posteo.de

[2]: https://mailbox.org

Re:Big brother is here, and his name is Facebook by hutzlibu on Saturday August 12, 2017 @03:31PM (#14999544)
"Too many Gmail horror stories."

share one pls?

Re:Big brother is here, and his name is Facebook by kuschku on Saturday August 12, 2017 @07:04PM (#15000521)
Someone hijacked an older google account of mine, the phone number used had since run out and been sold to another user.

Google asked me to either have access to the phone number, and the old password, or to know the security question, have access to the backup email, and know the exact day the account was created on.

Google was not willing to provide any help, not even via the Nexus phone support, and even after a friend who worked at Google submitted an internal recovery form.

After I contacted the new owner of the phone number, and coordinated with him a way for me to authorize via SMS, backup email, old password, security question, and account creation date at the same time, I got back into the account.

In the account I found an email from Google's account recovery support thanking me for contacting them, apparently they had contacted the hijacker after I asked for help, not me.

After changing all data, I went through the login history.

The account was set to German, always used from Germany. Someone tried logging in via several different VPNs, and was blocked a few times, but allowed the last time from Russia.

I had learnt the account was compromised originally because Google sent me an email that an attacker from Russia had logged into the account and changed the password.

So, to recap:

Google realizes that an attacker connects and hijacks an account, emails me, but doesn't prevent it.

Google allows that person to change the password, and tells me that an attacker changed the password, but provides no way to restore it, and doesn't block it.

You can't restore with backup email, security question and old password.

Once Google's internal account recovery team was contacted, they talked with the attacker, not with me, despite being explicitly told I had no control over the account.

A random person was more helpful with restoring the account than Google itself.

Do NOT ever rely on Google, and write down your accountcreation date right now (on desktop, in gmail, settings, pop3 and imap, "pop3 active since" tells you the account creation date)

Re:Big brother is here, and his name is Facebook by xiaoma on Sunday August 13, 2017 @04:04AM (#15002034)
Asking for a phone number as a verification method is particularly toxic for users such as myself who do a lot of international travel and essentially just use phones for data plans.

Due to a close call with one of my own accounts, I absolutely refuse to link a phone number to any online account, for fear of it being required months later when I'm in another country. I still nearly gotten bitten by this problem when Google wanted to use my old android phone itself as a secondary identification method. AFICT, the only safe solution is to also avoid using Android phones (or have no Google accounts you'd care about losing).

Re:Big brother is here, and his name is Facebook by kuschku on Sunday August 13, 2017 @12:44PM (#15003612)
Or if you use prepaid SIMs which get deactivated after not upping their charge for 6 months, even if there's still money left on them.

Using phone numbers - which are, btw, free with prepaid SIMs - as identifier is dumb in general.

Re:Big brother is here, and his name is Facebook by hutzlibu on Saturday August 12, 2017 @07:21PM (#15000602)
hm, definitely incompetence from the google team, but also a bit your fault, since you did not update your number.

Why did the backup email not worked? Or did they told you about the hijacking via the backup but said the only way to restore is via the number?

Re:Big brother is here, and his name is Facebook by kuschku on Saturday August 12, 2017 @08:18PM (#15000815)
Oh, the backup email worked. But to restore it's not enough. You need either

a) old password, SMS

b) security question, email , date of account creation.

And I didn't update the phone number because I had stopped using the account, and had forgotten about it (but I also obviously didn't want anyone to spam in my name, or extract my data).

Re:Big brother is here, and his name is Facebook by greenyoda on Saturday August 12, 2017 @07:40PM (#15000679)
Many stories have been posted here over the years of people whose Google accounts got disabled for some unknown reason, with no way of contacting someone at Google to get the issue resolved. A quick web search turned up this example:

https://ehsanakhgari.org/blog/2012-04-13/how-i-lost-access-m...

Re:Big brother is here, and his name is Facebook by xj9 on Saturday August 12, 2017 @04:51PM (#14999892)
it really isn't that hard to get away from GOOG

I run copperhead on a nexus device (no gapps) use fastmail for email contacts and calendars duckduckgo for search plex and icecast for media matrix for chat mastodon for social media fix standard notes for note taking

YouTube is a challenge, but you can always use youtube-dl and watch via plex asynchronously

the only missing but for me is replacing photos. Plex does and ok job, but it isn't quite as seamless as I would like.

Re:Big brother is here, and his name is Facebook by severine on Saturday August 12, 2017 @08:35PM (#15000868)
> YouTube is a challenge, but you can always use youtube-dl and watch via plex asynchronously

Check the Video Assistant extension to play embedded videos in external player:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en/firefox/addon/video-assistant/

Re:Big brother is here, and his name is Facebook by thrwyqwerty on Sunday August 13, 2017 @07:40AM (#15002520)
Newpipe is a great Youtube alternative for Android. You can download it from the Fdroid repo.
Re:Big brother is here, and his name is Facebook by Deimorz on Saturday August 12, 2017 @01:07PM (#14998766)
Sure, Google's probably (hopefully) not doing anything "evil" with all this data right now, but are you absolutely certain that they never will in the future? That they'll never be forced to give access to the data to others? That they'll never get hacked?

Because you don't get the option to take your data back, ever. So you can't only consider the present state.