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Re:I Fell Victim to a $1,500 Used Camera Lens Scam on Amazon by snowwrestler on Friday August 11, 2017 @07:19PM (#14995194)
I have shifted all my budget and used buying from Amazon Marketplace to eBay.

At this point it seems like there are new stories about Amazon Marketplace scams almost daily. Does anyone think Marketplace is a priority for Amazon leadership these days? Does Bezos even know it is still operating? It's not getting the A team, obviously.

Meanwhile connecting sellers and buyers is all eBay does. They don't make devices, produce TV shows, run cloud services, etc. etc. Of course their support is good. It has to be.

Re:I Fell Victim to a $1,500 Used Camera Lens Scam on Amazon by stryk on Saturday August 12, 2017 @12:27AM (#14996473)
If you're buying eBay is great. If you're the seller however, it's an entirely different story. eBay heavily, heavily, heavily favors the buyer in almost all disputes -- so much so that at times it seems as if it's automatic to the buyer's favor. I guess that's how they get people to spend money on the platform, and of course take their cut of the transaction.

There are tons and tons of seller horror stories, especially with buyers from Asian countries. They will buy an iPhone or something, pay for it, then request a return/refund from the seller but they send back a box of scrap. Even if you don't manually refund their money, they will dispute it, and eBay just sees the return tracking # as 'delivered' and gives them their money back. It really doesn't matter how much you protest, eBay pretty much always sides with the buyer.

Re:I Fell Victim to a $1,500 Used Camera Lens Scam on Amazon by viraptor on Saturday August 12, 2017 @01:20AM (#14996604)
But what's the solution here? Without an escrow service which verifies the contents both ways, the best they can do is arbitrarily choose the winner.
Re:I Fell Victim to a $1,500 Used Camera Lens Scam on Amazon by pvaldes on Saturday August 12, 2017 @05:34AM (#14997214)
What we need is maybe a species of md5 for mail packages

A formulae that mix weight + dimensions + sender data + receiver data + followed route + category of contents. In several parts. Some parts (buyers adress, weight, category, etc...) can be verified for buyer, other for seller. The total formula is available only for the postman and would be easily verifiable.

When the package is sent, a mobile app sends the buyer a message with the buyer part that is checked against the data entered by the buyer in his/her own telephone. The buyer can quickly compare both md5 in the phone and must answer to the postman approving the message in order to the package being accepted in the post.

All returned packages have to be put in a special post yellow envelope available only in the post and checked against the maild5 using the weight and measures of the original (plus-minus a reasonable confidence interval). A machine calculates the statistic probability of having a different content and if under some p-value the postman will not accept the returned package.

Re:I Fell Victim to a $1,500 Used Camera Lens Scam on Amazon by jaclaz on Saturday August 12, 2017 @06:18AM (#14997315)
>What we need is maybe a species of md5 for mail packages

Or maybe just more honest people?

Re:I Fell Victim to a $1,500 Used Camera Lens Scam on Amazon by pvaldes on Saturday August 12, 2017 @02:44PM (#14999283)
Having honest people would help. But they can decide at some time not to be honest anymore, or can have their accounts hijacked by other people, giving the buyer a false sense of security.
Re:I Fell Victim to a $1,500 Used Camera Lens Scam on Amazon by exergy on Saturday August 12, 2017 @08:03AM (#14997564)
And where do you propose we find more such "honest people"?
Re:I Fell Victim to a $1,500 Used Camera Lens Scam on Amazon by jaclaz on Saturday August 12, 2017 @08:29AM (#14997641)
No ideas, most probably it will be many years in the making, you have to start with children ...

It was just an alternative (jokingly) to the idea of the "MD5 for mail packages".

The actual issue is not with the Postal Service or the delivery, it is with Amazon checks on it.

The package was sent to address B instead of address A, it was delivered by the post/courier to address B, and properly signed for by a valid recipient at address B.

It is the Amazon checks that failed to detect that the order was intended for address A and that having it delivered to address B does not represent a fulfillment of the order.

There is however IMHO no need of a complex verification algorithm, and a statistic p-value calculation triggering this or that action.

Re:I Fell Victim to a $1,500 Used Camera Lens Scam on Amazon by pvaldes on Saturday August 12, 2017 @02:48PM (#14999304)
> It is the Amazon checks that failed to detect that the order was intended for address A and that having it delivered to address B does not represent a fulfillment of the order

Of course. But maybe this should be automatized and solved in advance instead to allow it and solve (or let fall the customer) later, at least for most valuable items

Re:I Fell Victim to a $1,500 Used Camera Lens Scam on Amazon by jaclaz on Saturday August 12, 2017 @03:10PM (#14999432)
Well whilst a directive "check that the address is exact" to the people providing assistance for issues at Amazon would be fine and cost very little, revolutionize the whole way packets are sent, courier/postal service procedures, etc. to have the "MD5 for packets" seems too much.

I mean, it's not like the number of this kind of frauds is that large, probably somewhere there is an Amazon report stating that they have a fulfillment rate with full satisfaction of customers of 99,9999%, the whole issue (not only Amazon's of course, most "remote" or "call center based" assistance is terrible) is about how poorly this (minimal) 0,0001%is managed.

If the numbers are so small, I believe these large firms could well put in charge of these cases someone with some more capabilities than the "standard" call center guy/gal just reading a script and incapable of solving (or not allowed to solve) these cases.

Re:I Fell Victim to a $1,500 Used Camera Lens Scam on Amazon by jneal on Saturday August 12, 2017 @09:43AM (#14997859)
It probably sounds silly, but I've been the victim of similar scams and so I started video taping myself opening every single package I receive. I be sure to show the tracking information on the box and then leave the camera rolling as I open it and inspect the contents.

In the OP's case, it doesn't seem like Amazon would even care to watch the recording seeing as how they are ignoring pictures that clearly show the item delivered to the wrong address with incorrect contents, but it gives me peace of mind at least.

Re:I Fell Victim to a $1,500 Used Camera Lens Scam on Amazon by zootam on Saturday August 12, 2017 @10:51AM (#14998065)
its not silly, i had the same idea to do that. i do it for any particularly expensive/valuable packages.
Re:I Fell Victim to a $1,500 Used Camera Lens Scam on Amazon by tjr225 on Saturday August 12, 2017 @09:52AM (#14997884)
Anecdotal, but I have /never/ had an issue selling on eBay. I've even sold an old tube power amplifier (around ~700$) to HK and the transaction went smoothly.
Re:I Fell Victim to a $1,500 Used Camera Lens Scam on Amazon by snowwrestler on Saturday August 12, 2017 @05:02PM (#14999946)
Once upon a time, strong protections and support for customers (buyers) is what Amazon was known for.

So many stories were shared like "the thing arrived damaged, and when I called Amazon I talked to a person and they shipped a replacement out right away no questions asked."

Where is that now?

"Amazon gives better protections to sellers" is not a compelling story for attracting customers.

Re:I Fell Victim to a $1,500 Used Camera Lens Scam on Amazon by Sleeep on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @11:06AM (#15018886)
I won an eBay dispute as a seller and it was very easy. Buyer didn't scam me though, his account was hijacked. I believe him because when I looked at the shipping address more closely it was a mail forwarding service.
Re:I Fell Victim to a $1,500 Used Camera Lens Scam on Amazon by wfunction on Saturday August 12, 2017 @08:23AM (#14997621)
eBay is only in the buyer's favor in terms of refunds. It doesn't actually go after fraudsters who refund you immediately to make you shut up after you call out their counterfeits and whatnot.
Re:I Fell Victim to a $1,500 Used Camera Lens Scam on Amazon by dizzystar on Saturday August 12, 2017 @03:32AM (#14996870)
Both eBay and Amazon are "hackable" by both the buyer and seller. The available scams are different, but neither party of a transaction is 100% safe.

In my experience, eBay is MUCH more slanted to the seller than Amazon.

The real sophisticated scammers are truly unbelievable. Unfortunately, I can't say more on this stuff, but I'll hint that the most egregious scams use both eBay and Amazon, pitting the flaws of each company against each other.

I can't say with any pride that I likely know every possible scam to run on each site as a buyer or seller, although I've never personally executed any scams.

As an FYI, any seller who sells on eBay sells on Amazon. They will push to whatever they can get away with on each platform.

I'll add: to protect yourself as a buyer, find the seller ratings before you decide to purchase. For eBay, bare minimum, 99%. Anything less is too low, even for Top Rated. For Amazon, 99% as well.

Re:I Fell Victim to a $1,500 Used Camera Lens Scam on Amazon by vanderreeah on Saturday August 12, 2017 @07:02AM (#14997420)
Curious whence comes your familiarity with the scams?
Re:I Fell Victim to a $1,500 Used Camera Lens Scam on Amazon by exikyut on Monday August 14, 2017 @09:15PM (#15014553)
My guess is lawyer of some kind who has somehow managed to drown in this exact type of case, either by chance or deliberate job placement.
Re:I Fell Victim to a $1,500 Used Camera Lens Scam on Amazon by exikyut on Monday August 14, 2017 @09:14PM (#15014546)
Can you share any hints that could be used to red-flag a particular seller? Sophisticated users are surely not going to use the same account name on both platforms.
Re:I Fell Victim to a $1,500 Used Camera Lens Scam on Amazon by fapjacks on Friday August 11, 2017 @07:49PM (#14995374)
Right, but if you're a seller and you get scammed, you're screwed, since eBay heavily favors the buyer.