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Re:A note on programmer salaries by chrisco255 on Friday August 11, 2017 @03:11AM (#14987301)
No different than shopping for a car and buying the first one you see. You HAVE to shop around for your career. Holy crap, it's the biggest investment of your life. If you don't care, it's nobody's job to care for you, and it shouldn't be. ALWAYS shop around or don't complain when you find out you're being paid below market.
Re:A note on programmer salaries by taeric on Friday August 11, 2017 @10:14AM (#14989830)
My main problem with this is it is victim blaming, at large. And again, leads to situations such as women and minority pay being significantly lower for no good reason.

At an individual level, it is good actionable advice. At a societal level, it really is just victim blaming. And it is hard to day where the line is between those views.

Re:A note on programmer salaries by tengbretson on Friday August 11, 2017 @01:37PM (#14992338)
Failure to self-educate, negotiate or maximize your leverage does not in any way make someone a victim.

What sick thought crept its way into our collective consciousness that has made us glorify being a victim above all else. We have been fooled into holding up literally the opposite of success as the highest virtue.

Re:A note on programmer salaries by taeric on Friday August 11, 2017 @04:27PM (#14993860)
I haven't glorified being a victim. Quite the contrary. I just refuse to glorify anything the exploits and relies on someone being a victim.

That is, my question is what sick thought made it acceptable to take repression and holding down of full segments of a population under the guise of them individually not standing up for themselves acceptable?

Seriously, the evidence is quite clear that this attitude is complete nonsense and only works for people that have certain advantages already. I get that you feel you have worked hard for your position. So have I. I also get that I was additionally lucky that I was able to reap the rewards of my hard work. Many aren't. And to be ok with that is a truly disgusting collective consciousness problem.

Re:A note on programmer salaries by micahbright on Friday August 11, 2017 @10:44PM (#14996133)
>Seriously, the evidence is quite clear that this attitude is complete nonsense and only works for people that have certain advantages already.

Ahem... citation needed

Re:A note on programmer salaries by taeric on Saturday August 12, 2017 @02:04PM (#14999035)
I've been referencing the still existing pay gap between men and women. Same for minorities.

For this attitude to be accurate, the problem is simply that women and minorities are not educating themselves and/or are not "shopping themselves around." If you want me to cite studies showing that specifically is false, quite frankly I don't have time to dig around for that. You could find studies showing it is true.

Re:A note on programmer salaries by micahbright on Saturday August 12, 2017 @08:50PM (#15000911)
The still existing pay gap for men and women, when women make 105% of what men make for the same job title and experience?

You need to study more.

Re:A note on programmer salaries by taeric on Sunday August 13, 2017 @05:32PM (#15005072)
Sounds like you have a source. Because that is a rather bold claim.
Re:A note on programmer salaries by brepl on Friday August 11, 2017 @12:27PM (#14991468)
Is this necessarily a bad strategy? How much extra time investment in understanding the auto market and checking various different options is required to guarantee you'll make a better choice?

Then compare the cost saving, and time spent on the above, to the marginal cost of your free time. Have you saved anything?

Re:A note on programmer salaries by chrisco255 on Friday August 11, 2017 @09:12PM (#14995767)
This absolutely depends on how much your time is worth. You're right that saving money on car purchases might not be worth it all that much to someone who makes $200 an hour.

However, careers are what sort of determine how much our time is worth...so it generally ALWAYS makes sense to shop for multiple job offers.