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Re:The fired Google engineer wrote his memo after he went to... by peterwwillis on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @12:14PM (#14970745)
> this guy felt shamed. Was that because the people were actually shaming him? Or was it because they stated facts that this guy feels shamed by?

I don't think it matters. As far as I am aware, no part of the business, or any part of this industry, is trying to help people understand why they should change their behavior and thinking towards women. The only thing I see is a sort of 'behavioral training' that tells you how to think and act, without helping you gain the empathy and compassion, or even rational arguments, needed for this to be a willing act. Do what we tell you to do or you're fired, we don't care if you believe it.

This sets back the whole cause because it makes silent angry people who stew until they get shamed at a retreat and then churn out ignorant manifestos they are subsequently fired for writing. If the company gave a shit, they would do more to help change minds, not just silence them.

Maybe their retreat was supposed to do that. But it sounds more like people there were hostile rather than compassionate, and didn't do their job to help these people understand. And now the alt-right has a new poster boy to push their propaganda.

Re:The fired Google engineer wrote his memo after he went to... by ajross on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @12:17PM (#14970769)
Your preferred solution to the problem of gender inequality is a magic ray gun that imparts empathy and compassion?

I mean, OK. I agree, that would work. But you honestly don't think that's what we're trying to do here? It's hard. People are jerks. All we simpering SJW's are saying is while people are still jerks, would it really hurt so much if they were forced not to act like it in ways that actively hurt things?

You're saying that people's opinions are the problem and that doing this thought police stuff isn't changing them, so it's not a solution.

Isn't the actual problem, though, that women (c.f. this very thread) don't feel comfortable or welcome in tech careers? How is the inner mental landscape of a bunch of dudes going to fix that? Isn't the "real" solution to, y'know, actually make things better for women in this industry?