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Re:JavaScript for People Who Hate JavaScript by dullgiulio on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @05:46AM (#14966988)
My biggest problem is "the complete stack." Which one? How many months will it be the blessed way of doing things?

As soon as I get some work outsourced, here it comes yet another build system and yet another complete stack I have to get expert at.

Javascript lacks a standard library (a mistake from the beginning) as well as standard tools (can't blame Netscape for this, but today we could totally come up with something more definitive.

Re:JavaScript for People Who Hate JavaScript by veeti on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @07:54AM (#14967651)
There is no single blessed "complete stack" for React and there never will be. That is a feature, since it is a view library only.

It sounds like you're looking for a full framework, e.g. Angular or Ember.

Re:JavaScript for People Who Hate JavaScript by tonyedgecombe on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @06:03AM (#14967071)
If JavaScript had a standard library from the beginning we would be replacing it now because it wouldn't support Unicode or promises or async or whatever is coming next.
Re:JavaScript for People Who Hate JavaScript by sametmax on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @06:37AM (#14967237)
The stdlib can evolve with the W3C the same way the language evolves.
Re:JavaScript for People Who Hate JavaScript by hajile on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @05:53PM (#14974061)
The w3c cannot break the web. Once something is in the language a certain way, it stays (technically, there have been a couple small breaking changes, but the fact that you don't hear about them speaks to their size and impact)
Re:JavaScript for People Who Hate JavaScript by tonyedgecombe on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @08:54AM (#14968161)
You mean we're stuck with the legacy stuff forever.
Re:JavaScript for People Who Hate JavaScript by lhnz on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @08:52AM (#14968142)
React was released in 2013. Redux was released in 2015. If you'd picked them then you've had a very long amount of time using the same tools.
Re:JavaScript for People Who Hate JavaScript by yellowapple on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @09:26AM (#14968500)
I'd hardly call 4 and 2 years (respectively) a "very long time".
Re:JavaScript for People Who Hate JavaScript by type0 on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @06:55PM (#14974526)
It is a very long time in js world of things
Re:JavaScript for People Who Hate JavaScript by saint_fiasco on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @03:29PM (#14972725)
We don't have precognition. It is not safe to pick a brand new framework for an important project right away, we have to wait a bit first to make sure it is being maintained well.