Re:Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity
by habitue on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @04:43PM
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> the "it" you refer to expands to "why women and minorities may be biologically less qualified for this job, and those that are here are illegitimate in some way."
Accepting your characterization here for the sake of argument: if his claims are so laughably ridiculous as to be easily refutable, people should just have pointed to studies refuting it (of which there are plenty) and gone about their day. When you can't bring up a topic in a respectful way without being shouted down, it's a bad situation.
Re:Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity
by gobugat on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @04:51PM
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His "theories" have been destroyed for decades. It's always the same old shit. We are tired of it. If you don't even have the decency to document yourself before blurting out such crap, you may not deserve much patience.
Remember: this guy lost a job. Discriminations kill and ruin the lives of millions routinely.
Re:Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity
by koonsolo on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @05:52PM
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According to scientists in the field, his theories are correct.
http://quillette.com/2017/08/07/google-memo-four-scientists-...
If you read the memo, he is completely against discrimination, including positive discrimination.
Re:Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity
by zimpenfish on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @04:23AM
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I'd be wary of saying the psychologists (especially the EvoPsych dude) are "scientists in the field" because he was quoting biology and they are 100% not biologists. Dr Soh is really the only one qualified to comment here. Also the other three are ... privileged white dudes with track records of being anti-SJW/"snowflake", etc.
Re:Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity
by koonsolo on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @10:09AM
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Another one: https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/no-the-google-manif...
Please show me the other well informed people that claim the opposite.
Re:Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity
by zimpenfish on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @11:39AM
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Here's a evolutionary biologist's thoughts on the manifesto -
https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2017/08/06/what-diff...
Re:Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity
by zimpenfish on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @11:36AM
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That's Dr Soh, one of the people from the Quillete article, and the one I said had a decent claim to being able to comment.
Re:Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity
by habitue on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @02:46AM
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Yeah, but they weren't debunked for decades. Nobody thought to check that before demanding he be silenced
Re:Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity
by brighteyes on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @04:50PM
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It is a serious problem if people are hearing that - by which I mean, if many people understand the document one way, and many people understand it in a completely different way, then how can we even communicate as a society?
To try to shed a little light on this phenomenon, the "it" you refer to expands to "why women and minorities may be biologically less qualified for this job, and those that are here as our teammates are illegitimate in some way."
Using the expansion in your paragraph:
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I don't understand the attempts at shutting down conversation about why women and minorities may be biologically less qualified for this job, and those that are here as our teammates are illegitimate in some way. If you think he's wrong, you share your opinion and persuade others. You don't shut down the conversation and pretend that women and minorities are biologically as qualified for this job, or that their hires are as legitimate as anyone else's.
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That's what some people are hearing. Hopefully it's obvious why management at most companies would consider these discussions to be less than helpful in fostering the most productive work environment.