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Re:Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity by leereeves on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @04:20PM (#14962101)
> unsupported

Did you only read the Gizmodo version that removed all the references?

Here's a copy with the references:

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3914586/Googles-I...

Re:Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity by noncoml on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @04:32PM (#14962291)
I don't see many references. I just see a lot of stereotyping with no citations at all. Eg:

> Women, on average, have more:

> ● Openness directed towards feelings and aesthetics rather than ideas. Women generally also have a stronger interest in people rather than things, relative to men (also interpreted as empathizing vs. systemizing)

> ● Extraversion expressed as gregariousness rather than assertiveness. Also, higher agreeableness.

> ● Neuroticism (higher anxiety, lower stress tolerance).

A bit further down:

> Men’s higher drive for status

> We always ask why we don't see women in top leadership positions, but we never ask why we see so many men in these jobs. These positions often require long, stressful hours that may not be worth it if you want a balanced and fulfilling life.

Holy crap!

- Edit below this line -

This is not expressing a different opinion based on facts, but pure stereotyping.

As a person who appreciates logic in arguments, I wouldn't like to work or have an argument with someone who presents his views of the world as axioms without data to support them.

Re:Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity by jorgemf on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @04:49PM (#14962522)
Hey, from the original document (I have added the references for you):

- Openness directed towards feelings and aesthetics rather than ideas. Women generally also have a stronger interest in people rather than things [1], relative to men (also interpreted as empathizing vs. systemizing [2])

- Extraversion expressed as gregariousness rather than assertiveness. Also, higher agreeableness.

- Neuroticism [3] (higher anxiety, lower stress tolerance).

Now what do you think about it, now you know the real references of the article?

[1] http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/wol1/doi/10.1111/j.1751-9004....

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empathizing%E2%80%93systemizin...

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroticism

EDIT: noncoml I wanted to reply you (but I cann't I don't know why) and apologize because my comment sound like an attack when It wasn't my intention. I just wanted to provide the references and know your opinion. Take your time to check them.

Re:Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity by noncoml on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @05:55PM (#14963237)
> Now what do you think about it, now you know the real references of the article?

I think that a quick dismissal is not appropriate, that it is the right basis for a discussion and would definitely like to take some time and look at the citations and how they tie up and support the arguments.

Re:Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity by jorgemf on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @06:34PM (#14963601)
Now I can reply: I apologize because my comment sound like an attack when It wasn't my intention. I just wanted to provide the references and know your opinion. Take your time to check them.
Re:Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity by AnimalMuppet on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @08:03PM (#14964244)
For hot-button issues (or maybe just for heavily-commented articles?), HN sometimes limits the reply rate.
Re:Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity by jorgemf on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @08:13PM (#14964307)
No I think the reason is that they keep flagging and unflagging the post. And when it is flagged you cannot comment anymore
Re:Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity by tenaciousDaniel on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @04:52PM (#14962578)
There were references that were removed by Gizmodo. The list above refers to the big 5 personality traits, which I believe is standard in psychology. Also, there is a clear difference between discussing average qualities of a group vs declaring that every individual in that group shares those qualities. It's also clear from reading the document that he's engaged in the former, and anyone pretending otherwise is being blatantly dishonest.
Re:Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity by onli on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @04:42PM (#14962435)
The very exact text you are citing has links that lead to sources. Why would you ignore them?
Re:Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity by noncoml on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @04:50PM (#14962542)
OK, I see now. I was expecting citations in the usual academic-paper form as they were in other parts of the document. Didn't notice they were inline links. My bad.

Thanks for correcting me.

Re:Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity by onli on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @05:28PM (#14962918)
You're welcome :)

If you are a bit interested in more references (those claims sound horrible, but they are not as far-fetched as they sound), have a look at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n691pLhQBkw. It's a presentation by Steven Pinker that explains a lot about what science actually has to say about biological differences, and in an aside at the end even mentions stereotypes.

I already mentioned it in a subthread to this post, no harm intended.

Re:Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity by wfunction on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @04:24PM (#14962168)
Whoever in Gizmodo redacted or allowed the reduction of the 25+ citations should be fired.

That was such irresponsible journalism that it honestly looks actively malicious, and it wasn't matter what side you're on. You can't remove all the support someone provides for their position and hide it behind a short and vague disclaimer while presenting it as though it's materially equivalent to the original. If their evidence is bad then you include it and let people be the judges. Or just don't report on the story. What you don't do is edit it in accordance with your own opinion and misrepresent it as the original.

People need to call this crap out and shame Gizmodo, and Gizmodo needs to come clean about the honest reasons for the redaction and respond harshly enough that it doesn't happen again. The last thing we need is biased journalism, or an impression of such.

Re:Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity by kuschku on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @04:29PM (#14962245)
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Re:Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity by dqv on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @04:38PM (#14962370)
The only link that I could find in his memo that could classify as a random WordPress blog was a summary of an article posted in a peer reviewed journal.
Re:Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity by wfunction on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @04:41PM (#14962410)
First of all, he had far better references than random WordPress blog posts, and second of all, that is completely irrelevant and doesn't excuse you from providing an accurate representation of the original.
Re:Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity by Aqua on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @04:33PM (#14962295)
So the media are manipulating content of the document in order to provoke their readers. This is outrageous, I feel sorry for the guy. Freedom of speech is threatened by obssesive political correctness that silences unpopular points of view.
Re:Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity by sidlls on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @04:34PM (#14962310)
Those references are actually the opposite of helpful to his case. And, in fact, as a biologist he ought to know better than to apply the generalizations he refers to to specific populations or individuals.
Re:Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity by phinnaeus on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @04:50PM (#14962544)
Isn't the article basically all about how we should avoid applying generalizations to specific individuals?
Re:Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity by jshevek on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @07:35PM (#14964054)
He explicitly didn't apply the generalizations in this way. This is a lie invented by a half dozen or more media outlets.
Re:Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity by milcron on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @04:48PM (#14962520)
His "references" are mostly Wikipedia links.

I wish he had posted the anti-echo-chamber parts on their own, instead of using them to decorate an argument on gender differences.

Re:Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity by leereeves on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @04:52PM (#14962583)
I agree they weren't the best references available.

I doubt he expected this to blow up like it did; I imagine a Harvard PhD candidate would have provided better references if he'd known it would be public.

Re:Google Can't Seem to Tolerate Diversity by micahbright on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @09:00PM (#14964617)
It's weird, but this is all pretty well known stuff in the fields from which he refers. And, as obsessed as we are with instilling diversity in everything, why even common people don't know these things who knows?