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Re:Cruise is running an autonomous ride hailing service for ... by miheermunjal on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @11:57AM (#14959170)
Can't believe I'm saying this... but what an acquisition for GM. Masterful potential future pivot
Re:Cruise is running an autonomous ride hailing service for ... by aphextron on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @05:30PM (#14962945)
GM is killing it right now. Bolt is the first truly great EV ever built at an "affordable" price. Model 3 is getting all the hype now, but when it's all said and done GM will have beaten them to market by a year with an equally comparable or better product at the same price point.
Re:Cruise is running an autonomous ride hailing service for ... by bogomipz on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @06:04PM (#14963331)
>"Bolt is the first truly great EV ever built at an "affordable" price."

I would curious to hear your opinion on what things specifically makes the Bolt a great EV - features, comparative specs etc.

Re:Cruise is running an autonomous ride hailing service for ... by aphextron on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @06:29PM (#14963561)
>I would curious to hear your opinion on what things specifically makes the Bolt a great EV - features, comparative specs etc.

It's the first mass produced, purpose designed, non-luxury EV available in the US with:

- Greater than 200 miles range

- Active thermal management for the battery (essential for battery longevity and extended use with quick charging).

- Full seating for 5

- Top IIHS safety rating

- Standard level 2 autonomy

- Cargo capacity comparable to a regular hatchback

At a price that just barely starts to make sense for the average driver when you factor in fuel savings and tax subsidies.

Re:Cruise is running an autonomous ride hailing service for ... by bogomipz on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @06:42PM (#14963661)
Thanks, that certainly is impressive. I didn't understand your last comment:

>"At a price that just barely starts to make sense for the average driver when you factor in fuel savings and tax subsidies."

At $36K and just using $5K as an arbitrary tax subsidy number isn't it the same price as most US mini SUV style cars?

Re:Cruise is running an autonomous ride hailing service for ... by vkou on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @07:25PM (#14963970)
Hatchbacks are not mini-SUVs, and many people can't afford to own a mini-SUV. $36,000 with no trims is pricy for a new car.

I've been adamant that owning an EV would be a non-starter for me, but having seen the Bolt, if I were shopping for a new car, I'd buy one in a heartbeat.

Re:Cruise is running an autonomous ride hailing service for ... by bogomipz on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @08:31PM (#14964428)
I didn't say that hatchbacks were SUVs, it was simply a comp as the sedan market is giving way to the compact SUV in the US.

$36K is pretty close to average car price in the US now:

https://www.edmunds.com/about/press/average-vehicle-transact...

I think you are right that there are many people who can't afford a $35K car which is why leasing is seeing such an uptick:

https://www.edmunds.com/about/press/automotive-lease-volume-...

A compact SUV is one of the best selling card this year in the US and at ~20K its not actually that pricey compared the average car price in the USA of $34K.

And the compact SUV is looking like it it will dislodge the sedan's long dominance. See:

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4064632-new-u-s-car-sales-k...

and

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2017/05/01/why-nis...

Re:Cruise is running an autonomous ride hailing service for ... by aphextron on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @09:29PM (#14964770)
>$36K is pretty close to average car price in the US now:

You have to keep in mind that $36k 'average' number is highly inflated by luxury purchases. Most people end up spending closer to $20k. I think when they hit below that magical $19,995 number we will see massive adoption.

Re:Cruise is running an autonomous ride hailing service for ... by dragonwriter on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @11:19PM (#14965268)
Yeah, that's a mean not a median, and is therefore the wrong average to use for this purpose, which calls for median (or even mode in preference to mean.)
Re:Cruise is running an autonomous ride hailing service for ... by tonyedgecombe on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @02:17PM (#14960828)
I wonder if it's a good idea to accelerate the progress towards a future that they may not be successful in. If all this is as disruptive as many people think then they may well be bringing forward their own demise.
Re:Cruise is running an autonomous ride hailing service for ... by organsnyder on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @01:35PM (#14960261)
Automakers are likely in a precarious position that they are just beginning to realize: If car-sharing really takes off (due to automation making it cheaper to hail on demand rather than owning a vehicle), they could see sales drop off by orders of magnitude. Glad to see that some of them realize this; though as a resident of western Michigan (home to many automotive suppliers), I am concerned about the potential impact up the supply chain.