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Re:Why Germans pay cash for almost everything by sparkling on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @10:53AM (#14958362)
As a German

a) I don't want to feed the Visa/Mastercard/Amex/Whatever leach earning a few cents of every transaction.

Re:Why Germans pay cash for almost everything by wila on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @11:03AM (#14958502)
Not German, but I simply don't want to leave my trail of what I am spending and where.
Re:Why Germans pay cash for almost everything by 317070 on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @12:01PM (#14959216)
I also think/thought like that.

But if banks wanted, they could actually track the serial codes on the bills around. And since often cash is used in only 1 hop (so ATM -> you -> shop -> bank) they could know pretty well where you spent your money.

A quick reference: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9948081

E.g. about China: "According to schedule, by late 2015, the serial number of every Rmb100 note withdrawn from banks by members of the public can be traced."

Re:Why Germans pay cash for almost everything by jhasse on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @02:44PM (#14961127)
> But if banks wanted, they could actually track the serial codes on the bills around. And since often cash is used in only 1 hop (so ATM -> you -> shop -> bank) they could know pretty well where you spent your money.

That doesn't include how much you spend exactly. And it only works most of the time (what if my money gets used as change for another customer?).

Re:Why Germans pay cash for almost everything by theEXTORTCIST on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @11:18AM (#14958706)
Was waiting for this comment. I often ask myself, "Do I want any entity to have a copy of the exact dates and amounts of my entire daily consumer activity?". Whether anonymized or not there is a tremendous amount of knowledge that can be gleaned from non-itemized debit card ledgers.
Re:Why Germans pay cash for almost everything by nostromo123 on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @08:05AM (#14967714)
Same here.

Also, been a couple of times in the situation where either the shop's card terminal was malfunctioning, or the bank had some issues, and the card payment was impossible. Without cash you'd be helpless in such a situation, whereas cash = power & independence.

Re:Why Germans pay cash for almost everything by eatbitseveryday on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @11:07AM (#14958542)
And what of purchases made on websites?
Re:Why Germans pay cash for almost everything by kuschku on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @01:08PM (#14959918)
As very few Germans even have credit cards, most Germans pay online (if they don’t use PayPal) via SEPA wire transfer or SEPA ELV. And even PayPal and Amazon support using SEPA ELV to pay for stuff.
Re:Why Germans pay cash for almost everything by Froyoh on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @11:17AM (#14958682)
Opt for money order, cheques?
Re:Why Germans pay cash for almost everything by hocuspocus on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @11:17AM (#14958683)
In 4 party schemes, most of the transaction fees don't actually go to Visa/MC.
Re:Why Germans pay cash for almost everything by Sleeep on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @11:57AM (#14959172)
Handling cash is not free either, it also comes with transaction costs.
Re:Why Germans pay cash for almost everything by herbst on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @12:06PM (#14959250)
But it's money spent on my government and not some American companies. Huge difference IMO
Re:Why Germans pay cash for almost everything by Sleeep on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @12:20PM (#14959396)
No, the companies pay the cost of handling cash as well.

There's the labor costs of handling cash - counting it, moving it, organizing it, accounting for it, making sure there's enough change to run a shift; the cost of storing and transporting it - safes, cash draws, key management, money transport/money transport companies; and the cost of loss due to theft, mistakes, and mismanagement.

I'm not saying that the cost of cash is more than the cost of card, I'm simply saying its not anywhere near free.

https://qz.com/123642/physical-money-costs-americans-more-th...

>But new research from Tufts University aims to highlight the pain points of cash, where digital currency can break in. The use of physical bills costs US consumers, businesses and the government at least $200 billion each year—about $1,739 per household. Here are the main reasons why:

>Small businesses don’t lose much money by operating cash-only. But larger businesses spend a significant amount of money dealing with cash—collecting it, sorting it and getting it to the bank without it being stolen. US businesses lose $40 billion a year to cash theft and loss, about 1% of total revenues.

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2017/02/02/cashless-coffee-sho...

(There's also a potential to increase sales by accepting card.)

Re:Why Germans pay cash for almost everything by wott on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @12:10PM (#14959283)
Nope.
Re:Why Germans pay cash for almost everything by Sleeep on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @12:43PM (#14959657)
Yep.

https://qz.com/123642/physical-money-costs-americans-more-th...

>larger businesses spend a significant amount of money dealing with cash—collecting it, sorting it and getting it to the bank without it being stolen. US businesses lose $40 billion a year to cash theft and loss, about 1% of total revenues.