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Re:Percentage of Europeans Who Are Willing to Fight a War fo... by misja111 on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @09:13AM (#14957450)
The NATO is a mutual defence pact.

Are you saying that the USA invaded Iraq to defend itself? Otherwise its NATO allies had no obligation at all to go out and help with the invasion.

Actually the USA government should have listened to NATO allies such as France who warned that the invasion was a mistake.

Re:Percentage of Europeans Who Are Willing to Fight a War fo... by EugeneAZ on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @09:23AM (#14957542)
> Typical NATO free rider.

That would be funny, you know, if that were not that sad : ) Don't want to blame, but just a reminder - do you know on what terms Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons?

Re:Percentage of Europeans Who Are Willing to Fight a War fo... by yflu on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @09:04AM (#14957369)
If you go running into a burning building, you can't expect your allies to do the same.

We might, but that's on our own volition, not out of any obligation.

Re:Percentage of Europeans Who Are Willing to Fight a War fo... by batushka on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @09:15AM (#14957466)
Sure, just remember that it works both ways. When your house will burn and you'll be desperate, have a persuasive story ready.
Re:Percentage of Europeans Who Are Willing to Fight a War fo... by EugeneAZ on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @09:26AM (#14957567)
Those anonyms may be just trolls payed by potential adversaries. It's HN. Divide et impera!
Re:Percentage of Europeans Who Are Willing to Fight a War fo... by ionised on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @10:24AM (#14969167)
There is a difference between a military alliance and a mutual defense pact. NATO is the latter.
Re:Percentage of Europeans Who Are Willing to Fight a War fo... by Belphemur on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @08:50AM (#14957241)
An ally come to help when in needs.

America wedged war for financial gain not for helping anybody. Why its ally would need to help when there is a no real need for the war in the first place.

Re:Percentage of Europeans Who Are Willing to Fight a War fo... by batushka on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @09:18AM (#14957493)
Never heard of war that wasn't smeared by other side. When rooskies bombed Finland, Molotov told they're delivering bread baskets to starving Finns. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov_bread_basket
Re:Percentage of Europeans Who Are Willing to Fight a War fo... by oblio on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @09:38AM (#14957672)
Nice trolling, I guess?

When there's a conflict, I generally look at the "weight" of the opponents. Can you, with a straight face, call Iraq a real opponent or even threat for the US? More than that, do you think the US really needed allies to invade Iraq? (except for trying to use them to legitimize the war).

Re:Percentage of Europeans Who Are Willing to Fight a War fo... by batushka on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @10:34AM (#14958120)
It's very easy to throw statements after the facts and aftermath is known, many years after it happened. But when events are hot, it's another story. Lets forget about Iraq, and return thinking about notion of ally, in it's essence.
Re:Percentage of Europeans Who Are Willing to Fight a War fo... by oblio on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @10:55AM (#14958398)
If you're beating up a little guy you don't need allies. You need fellow bullies.

And your whole notion about "hot events" is ridiculous. It wasn't like Iraq in 2003 was USSR v2 and only the US intervention stopped it from taking over half of the world...