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Re:Is America Encouraging the Wrong Kind of Entrepreneurship? by nickpinkston on Sunday August 06, 2017 @07:31PM (#14944328)
I'm fine with having public and private companies compete for services.

I'm pretty sure a government internet service would beat Comcast, and likely force all ISPs to up their game quickly.

Monopoly on contracts is my issue with purely a state-owned approach. Some well-run countries do seem to make it work though.

Re:Is America Encouraging the Wrong Kind of Entrepreneurship? by chii on Sunday August 06, 2017 @08:13PM (#14944459)
> I'm pretty sure a government internet service would beat Comcast, and likely force all ISPs to up their game quickly.

the point is that if it were only a gov't service, that ISP would be just as bad as comcast. The problem is not due to it being gov't or not, but due to lack of competition!

Re:Is America Encouraging the Wrong Kind of Entrepreneurship? by int_19h on Sunday August 06, 2017 @10:31PM (#14944906)
Competition is not the only feedback loop. With public companies, they're also subject to the usual democratic channels - sometimes less directly, but still. With private companies, you only get that as a shareholder, and even then in practice you have a few people holding the controlling stock.
Re:Is America Encouraging the Wrong Kind of Entrepreneurship? by Tyrek on Sunday August 06, 2017 @08:51PM (#14944572)
I'm not sure that this is absolutely true - in the American experience it has been a consistent experience; but in other countries there have been state owned monopolies that blow Comcast out of the water.
Re:Is America Encouraging the Wrong Kind of Entrepreneurship? by TomMarius on Monday August 07, 2017 @07:22AM (#14946672)
There are some successful state-owned corporations, but it's definitely an exception to the rule.
Re:Is America Encouraging the Wrong Kind of Entrepreneurship? by chii on Monday August 07, 2017 @12:50AM (#14945378)
so what's the difference? is it the same reason as why healthcare sucks in america?
Re:Is America Encouraging the Wrong Kind of Entrepreneurship? by Tyrek on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @11:17PM (#14965250)
Regulatory capture and ineffectual politicians. If politicians pay no heed to the civil service, the civil service has no impetus to improve.
Re:Is America Encouraging the Wrong Kind of Entrepreneurship? by panic on Monday August 07, 2017 @04:50AM (#14946100)
Have there been any private but cooperatively-owned ISPs, like a credit union? That seems like another possible solution.
Re:Is America Encouraging the Wrong Kind of Entrepreneurship? by briandear on Monday August 07, 2017 @03:24AM (#14945874)
Government would beat Comcast? I would really have to see some data before I’d be convinced of that. You must have some really strong faith in government but there is nothing in my experience that would suggest a government entity would have any incentive to actually be good at anything.
Re:Is America Encouraging the Wrong Kind of Entrepreneurship? by EliRivers on Monday August 07, 2017 @04:08AM (#14945973)
I understand the US military is considered good, and not just because it's huge and has a lot of money to spend. I'm told the competence of the individuals involved tends to be higher than many other militaries.

Sure, it's just one data point.

Re:Is America Encouraging the Wrong Kind of Entrepreneurship? by lmm on Monday August 07, 2017 @04:58AM (#14946136)
Comparing to other national militaries isn't meaningful. How does their effectiveness compare to private companies that do the same kind of thing, e.g. Blackwater or whatever they're called now?
Re:Is America Encouraging the Wrong Kind of Entrepreneurship? by EliRivers on Monday August 07, 2017 @06:12PM (#14951683)
US government military is so much better. Skill fade is brutal. The US military spends a fortune training and exercising and refreshing and retraining, over and over. Mercenary companies simply don't have the funding or facilities to do the same.

Typically, the employees are contractors. Some of them might still be in date for some of their professional qualifications, some of them might be years or even decades from their last professional military refresher. I'm sure they can get by swapping tips and visiting gunranges, but it can't compare to spending nine months of the year on exercise or deployment.

Re:Is America Encouraging the Wrong Kind of Entrepreneurship? by ionised on Monday August 07, 2017 @06:02AM (#14946384)
Well, there is a reason Blackwater changed its name.
Re:Is America Encouraging the Wrong Kind of Entrepreneurship? by sharemywin on Monday August 07, 2017 @10:47AM (#14947834)
Most mercenaries are usually formally trained by an elite government military.
Re:Is America Encouraging the Wrong Kind of Entrepreneurship? by pyroinferno on Monday August 07, 2017 @09:56AM (#14947441)
I hate Comcast as much as the next guy, but I would never choose a government service over them. There is only a few things the government is competent at and one of those is war. But even that is being hugely supported by private companies like Lockheed and Boeing.
Re:Is America Encouraging the Wrong Kind of Entrepreneurship? by nradov on Monday August 07, 2017 @10:23AM (#14947638)
How many wars has the government won lately?