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Re:Cheap Beijing Flights With a Dangerous Catch by erikrothoff on Sunday August 06, 2017 @03:53AM (#14940272)
Besides the quite unnecessary personal attack on the founders ("One is a hardcore gamer, the other is a former backup dancer for Gucci Mane, and the third loves beer more than you do. I’m not making this up–this is what they say about themselves on their Web page") I feel the writer did nothing to back up his claim. The "clear as mud" answer from the founder "same as all OBCs" was a really weird thing to leave up to interpretation of the reader. Nowhere did the writer enlighten me about the actual rights of an On Board Courier. I found this article really lacking in substance, sorry.
Re:Cheap Beijing Flights With a Dangerous Catch by spraak on Sunday August 06, 2017 @03:56AM (#14940286)
Those aren't personal attacks, the author points out a sentence later that they're from the company's own page.
Re:Cheap Beijing Flights With a Dangerous Catch by erikrothoff on Sunday August 06, 2017 @07:11AM (#14940845)
I'm questioning the reasoning for the sarcastic remarks. They add nothing but vitriol to the discussion that should at most be a discussion about the laws surrounding the service.
Re:Cheap Beijing Flights With a Dangerous Catch by mratzloff on Sunday August 06, 2017 @08:59AM (#14941107)
Well, if you feel like it's perfectly fine for founders to promote their gaming and beer hobbies instead of experience with a very serious industry with literal life or death consequences for couriers in some countries, where the company explicitly rejects any legal liability in their terms of service and has no 24/7 support available, by all means: use their service.
Re:Cheap Beijing Flights With a Dangerous Catch by woof on Sunday August 06, 2017 @04:42AM (#14940454)
Your "personal attack" is text from https://www.airmule.com/about/ under "Meet the Cofounders".

Makes you confident about Airmule?

Re:Cheap Beijing Flights With a Dangerous Catch by erikrothoff on Sunday August 06, 2017 @07:10AM (#14940841)
It's an about page. Not a resume. I don't understand what that has to do with their qualifications. It's just a random snide remark that has nothing to do with legality of the service.
Re:Cheap Beijing Flights With a Dangerous Catch by sorokod on Sunday August 06, 2017 @09:18AM (#14941170)
Not random and not snide. It is the way the company founders describe themselves.
Re:Cheap Beijing Flights With a Dangerous Catch by smsm42 on Sunday August 06, 2017 @03:57AM (#14940292)
I feel that answering any questions which could very well have legal consequences on Twitter is not a very smart idea. Legal questions are rarely well-answered in 140 chars, even if you're allowed to use emojis.
Re:Cheap Beijing Flights With a Dangerous Catch by briandear on Sunday August 06, 2017 @04:38AM (#14940437)
“Are couriers covered by Common Cartier rules?”

There isn’t much need for anything beyond 3 characters:

“Yes” or “No”

If you asked FedEx that question, there isn’t a legal department response needed. It’s a simple “Yes.”

Also, that question – the public has a right to a clear answer.

“Do your cars have seatbelts?”

“Does your food contain salt?”

These are examples of questions that don’t have gray areas worthy of “legalese.”

If legalese is required that means the expected answer isn’t the same as the actual answer.

Re:Cheap Beijing Flights With a Dangerous Catch by smsm42 on Monday August 07, 2017 @02:39PM (#14950037)
> “Do your cars have seatbelts?”

Definitely not a clear question. What if it only ha seatbelts in front but not back? What if they comply with EU regulations but not California regulations, or vice versa?

> “Does your food contain salt?”

Even less clear. Do you know about California prop 65? It is a fail of epic proportions, because "contain" may mean "has enough to cause an effect on an average human", "has enough to cause an effect on a human with extremely rare condition that makes him sensitive to salt orders of magnitude higher than a regular human" or "has enough to be detectable by the most sensitive detector created by modern science". That's even without getting into the weeds about how common table salt is not just sodium chloride, and sodium chloride may be present without adding table salt (many organisms have it so if you eat them you eat salt). Not try to pack it into 140 characters in a way that a hostile journalist can't make a scoop out of it. Good luck.

> If legalese is required that means the expected answer isn’t the same as the actual answer.

Oh if it only were so.

Re:Cheap Beijing Flights With a Dangerous Catch by erikrothoff on Sunday August 06, 2017 @07:19AM (#14940859)
It's assuming there first of all is a simple yes/no answer to the question. An extreme example: Is it legal to shoot a person? Yes or no? Give me a yes or no answer! The answer is "sometimes, maybe, no and yes". I think it's weird that all of a sudden everyone knows enough about Common Carrier rules or OBC's to know what the implications of either a "yes" or a "no" in that case would be.

I personally have no idea. And after reading the article I still don't. Does the writer know? I couldn't see anything passed the sarcasm that would convince me either way.

I would expect more substance in an article on the front page of Hacker news.

Re:Cheap Beijing Flights With a Dangerous Catch by gus_massa on Sunday August 06, 2017 @07:38AM (#14940906)
If the answer "Are couriers covered by Common Cartier rules?" were "yes" it may have some caveats like: "Yes, but the protection cover only he items send by AirMule, not the personal items in the other bag. Also adding any item to the AirMule bag voids all the protection." [Just in case this is not clear, this is a fake quote.] [Also, check it with your lawyer.] I guess you can reduce it to 140 characters and get a proper lawyer to write it.

If the answer "Are couriers covered by Common Cartier rules?" were "no", the extension is: "No, totally no, 0%, zero, nada, zip!" [fake quote]

Their answers to "Are couriers covered by Common Cartier rules?" is something like: "They will get a seat in the plane and can use the bathroom." [Also, fake quote.] They are not replaying the question, only stating something unrelated.

Re:Cheap Beijing Flights With a Dangerous Catch by tprophet on Sunday August 06, 2017 @02:51PM (#14942775)
There is no technical issue here preventing a clear answer due to 140 character limits.

These guys had my email address and could have sent a detailed response. Instead, they sent a short (but clear) one. If they actually wanted a phone interview, they could have asked for one and provided a number to call. And it's possible to send more than one tweet if they wanted to respond that way.

They did link to a FAQ which isn't clear, and their Terms of Service is posted on the page as others have noted. This is what raised my eyebrows to begin with and why I started asking questions.

A friend who is a tech reporter said "When they're responding like this, you know you got 'em." Given that Rory has had all morning to dispute any of the facts in my blog post, and has not done so despite being very active on Twitter, it seems clear that my reporter friend is right.

Re:Cheap Beijing Flights With a Dangerous Catch by threatofrain on Sunday August 06, 2017 @06:53AM (#14940795)
Pretty easy to link to a company FAQ. If somebody was asking Airbnb similarly serious questions about liability, just imagine if they weren't ready with an FAQ, and one of their execs tweeted in response to a question, "Hey, I'm at Costco at the moment!" Right.
Re:Cheap Beijing Flights With a Dangerous Catch by smsm42 on Monday August 07, 2017 @02:22PM (#14949857)
Well, it looks like it's just a bunch of guys trying to get a company off the ground (pun slightly intended). In these cases "I'll route your request to our legal department" may mean "I'll reply to you from a different account after asking my lawyer friend about it at lunch" :) So there might not be any FAQ (hopefully, yet).
Re:Cheap Beijing Flights With a Dangerous Catch by mjevans on Sunday August 06, 2017 @04:36AM (#14940426)
A proper reply might be to request an email or physical address to send the actual answer to, or to link to a webpage with the results.
Re:Cheap Beijing Flights With a Dangerous Catch by celticninja on Sunday August 06, 2017 @05:11AM (#14940551)
I think the lack of substance is due to the lack of substance in the answers provided by the company.

If I was a potential user of the service and I received these responses I doubt I would feel comfortable in accepting the offer.

Re:Cheap Beijing Flights With a Dangerous Catch by erikrothoff on Sunday August 06, 2017 @07:19AM (#14940861)
The article by the author would be a great place to add some substance, no?
Re:Cheap Beijing Flights With a Dangerous Catch by chillwaves on Sunday August 06, 2017 @02:40PM (#14942709)
Are you suggesting the blogger should flesh out Airmule's policy? It seems for something that is the core of their business model, Airmule should have a policy written and ready to reference.
Re:Cheap Beijing Flights With a Dangerous Catch by tprophet on Sunday August 06, 2017 @05:33PM (#14943698)
They do - their ToS. And it appears to put all liability on the passenger. They haven't substantively addressed reasonable and fair questions around this.
Re:Cheap Beijing Flights With a Dangerous Catch by celticninja on Sunday August 06, 2017 @08:55AM (#14941100)
I agree but the substance can only come from the company, ie fuller answers