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Re:Larry Page Deposition in Uber vs. Waymo by harryh on Wednesday August 02, 2017 @07:48PM (#14915737)
It's likely that Larry didn't want to be there but I wouldn't infer that from answers like this. This is exactly what you are taught to do before giving a deposition. You can't win in a deposition, you can only lose. The more information you give the other party the more you lose. So when they ask a question you are taught to answer precisely what they asked and no more.

This is pretty unlike regular life. As an engineer if someone asked me "Hey, in order to get the widget-spinner to go clockwise do I call function X?" I might answer "No, what you need to do is set variable X to true." (or whatever). In a deposition the correct answer would just be "no."

I was in a patent troll deposition once and the opposing attorney kept dancing around moderately close to the interesting stuff but never really got there due to the fact that he didn't really know what he was doing. It was kind of fun just saying "no" over and over again without giving him any additional context or help. Weird though. It's not how humans normally communicate.

Re:Larry Page Deposition in Uber vs. Waymo by sokoloff on Wednesday August 02, 2017 @09:18PM (#14916201)
I was deposed in a case; after referencing one-way hashing in an answer, opposing counsel attempted to get me to ramble by saying, "I don't think I understand." I replied, "I agree."
Re:Larry Page Deposition in Uber vs. Waymo by kinkrtyavimoodh on Wednesday August 02, 2017 @09:31PM (#14916248)
I just tried to picture it and burst out laughing. Would you be able to provide any more details about this deposition? In what context did one-way hashing come up?
Re:Larry Page Deposition in Uber vs. Waymo by sokoloff on Wednesday August 02, 2017 @09:46PM (#14916316)
One way hashing came up in the context of sharing email opt-outs without sharing the actual email addresses. (Send a list of hashes of email addresses and the hash function and require that no one whose email hashes to a value on that list may be emailed marketing material.)

It's been many years now, but we did some canonicalization of email addresses before hashing [downcasing, stripping whitespace, stripping periods (gmail), stripping any local tags (plus-sign), and maybe a few others I'm forgetting] since false positives were "safe".

Re:Larry Page Deposition in Uber vs. Waymo by ryan-allen on Thursday August 03, 2017 @02:35AM (#14917413)
Sounds like a joke straight out of Rick and Morty, got a laugh out of me!
Re:Larry Page Deposition in Uber vs. Waymo by wfunction on Thursday August 03, 2017 @01:25AM (#14917141)
That's hilarious but did the comment even need a reply?
Re:Larry Page Deposition in Uber vs. Waymo by sokoloff on Thursday August 03, 2017 @01:19PM (#14921550)
No; counsel was clearly stopping and waiting for me to respond. I could have remained silent, but my reply was a way to move things along (by indicating I wasn't going to ramble in response to a non-question as well as getting a poke in).
Re:Larry Page Deposition in Uber vs. Waymo by wfunction on Thursday August 03, 2017 @02:57PM (#14922595)
Haha I see, thanks!
Re:Larry Page Deposition in Uber vs. Waymo by dragonwriter on Wednesday August 02, 2017 @08:08PM (#14915871)
> This is pretty unlike regular life. As an engineer if someone asked me "Hey, in order to get the widget-spinner to go clockwise do I call function X?" I might answer "No, what you need to do is set variable X to true." (or whatever). In a deposition the correct answer would just be "no."

Or, even, possibly, “You might” (given the question phrasing ”...do I...”), if it is technically possible to get the fidget spinner to go clockwise with a call to function X, even though it's not the right way.

Re:Larry Page Deposition in Uber vs. Waymo by harryh on Wednesday August 02, 2017 @08:21PM (#14915923)
Hah, even better!
Re:Larry Page Deposition in Uber vs. Waymo by schoen on Wednesday August 02, 2017 @08:12PM (#14915886)
This cautious question-answering might feel unusual because it potentially violates Gricean norms:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooperative_principle

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Implicature

(In typical conversation, speakers often guess why a question was asked and try to respond to the inferred motivation.)

Re:Larry Page Deposition in Uber vs. Waymo by prostoalex on Thursday August 03, 2017 @01:56AM (#14917267)
I had a similar experience with the deposition (instructed by my attorney to keep things simple and single-syllable if I wanted to get out of it quickly), and the switch from on-record to off-record was pretty weird, as the opposing side knew my attorney pretty well, which inspired a lively exchange about weekend plans, common acquaintances, etc. In a few minutes we're back on record with just dry "Yes"es, "No"es and "Do not recall"s flying around.
Re:Larry Page Deposition in Uber vs. Waymo by ronilan on Wednesday August 02, 2017 @10:27PM (#14916488)
> So when they ask a question you are taught to answer precisely what they asked and no more.

I find this interesting conceptually.

Can you elaborate where this is being taught? or, if not of general knowledge, who, when, where taught you that?

Not a deposition, just an internet question.

Re:Larry Page Deposition in Uber vs. Waymo by Fezzik on Wednesday August 02, 2017 @10:42PM (#14916558)
Lawyers tell their clients this right before they, the client, is deposed. As another commentor here hinted at, when being deposed you are either going to play it safe or lose, there is really no winning. Deposition hiccups are later used, at trial or in settlement negotiations, as leverage against your opponent or to try to discredit them as a witness/simply make them look stupid as a witness. A deponent seldom has anything to gain from waxing poetic about whatever they are being deposed about.

That's the litigation game.

Edit: spelling.

Re:Larry Page Deposition in Uber vs. Waymo by goatherders on Wednesday August 02, 2017 @11:45PM (#14916804)
Not sure if it's taught anywhere per se, but in many arenas it becomes habit. "Do you know what time it is?" "Yes." "Can you tell me the time?" "Yes." "What time is it?" "11:30".
Re:Larry Page Deposition in Uber vs. Waymo by prostoalex on Thursday August 03, 2017 @01:58AM (#14917281)
Why cough up the answer so soon? Make them specify the time zone.
Re:Larry Page Deposition in Uber vs. Waymo by vkou on Thursday August 03, 2017 @04:54AM (#14917997)
And that they are asking for the current time. Not the time of the lunch break.
Re:Larry Page Deposition in Uber vs. Waymo by btian on Thursday August 03, 2017 @01:30AM (#14917155)
If you work for a "normal" company, your company's lawyer will spend a day or so prepping you for deposition before the actual thing.

And the deposition is very tiring.

Re:Larry Page Deposition in Uber vs. Waymo by the_stc on Wednesday August 02, 2017 @08:41PM (#14916025)
Do not go overboard or it will backfire:

Take a 2 hour disposition transcript to the judge.

All answers are ~I cannot recall~.

Profit.