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Re:Facebook Is Working on a Video Chat Device by dragonwriter on Tuesday August 01, 2017 @02:25PM (#14903764)
So,I've got a cellphone with front and back cameras, a tablet with front and back cameras, and a laptop with a front camera, and a desktop device for which I could easily get a front camera for a far less than anything with it's own dedicated screen will cost, all of which have (or have available) both native and web-based video chat software (including versions specialized for group and one-on-one use.)

Whyever would I want or need a dedicated video chat device? Why would anyone?

Also, a laptop-sized (so, I guess, somewhere between 10” and 19”) isn't going to make people feel like they are in the same room.

I suppose if you wedded a 3D camera to a HoloLens-like AR system, with some clever software, that might make people feel like they are in the same room.

Re:Facebook Is Working on a Video Chat Device by mertd on Tuesday August 01, 2017 @08:28PM (#14906796)
This reminds me of that infamous "Show HN: Dropbox" thread.

It is 2017 and I don't know of any video conference system or software that "just works" everywhere, all the time, under all bandwidth conditions. If Facebook thinks they can pull this off by tight control on hardware, they will sell like hotcakes.

Re:Facebook Is Working on a Video Chat Device by swiley on Wednesday August 02, 2017 @08:48AM (#14910082)
I feel like if I had to video conference with one of my friends running Linux we would just use ffmpeg and ffplay.

It probably wouldn't be anymore reliable than all the other conference software but at least it doesn't drag a mountain of bullshit and lockin with it.

We just use email and in person meetings though, I still don't quite get the point behind video conferencing.

Re:Facebook Is Working on a Video Chat Device by kalleboo on Wednesday August 02, 2017 @01:11AM (#14908099)
My problem with video/audio chat solutions has never been the hardware, generally it can be chalked up to flaky networking somewhere along the line to one of the participants - solutions were usually rebooting a home router or switching to 3G/4G. Best effort packet networking is just not ideal for real-time streams.
Re:Facebook Is Working on a Video Chat Device by mandeepj on Wednesday August 02, 2017 @12:24AM (#14907915)
Have you tried WhatsApp, Line, WeChat, Telegram apps? They have made pretty good impression in terms of their quality.
Re:Facebook Is Working on a Video Chat Device by callmeed on Tuesday August 01, 2017 @04:20PM (#14904910)
> Whyever would I want or need a dedicated video chat device? Why would anyone?

So Facebook can see what's in your house and on your body and deliver those relevant, targeted ads you so dearly crave.

Re:Facebook Is Working on a Video Chat Device by discreditable on Tuesday August 01, 2017 @08:59PM (#14906990)
> see what's in your house and on your body and deliver those relevant, targeted ads you so dearly crave.

"This guy has a vacuum cleaner. Let's recommend him more vacuum cleaners to buy!"

Re:Facebook Is Working on a Video Chat Device by mandeepj on Wednesday August 02, 2017 @12:28AM (#14907927)
> "This guy has a vacuum cleaner. Let's recommend him more vacuum cleaners to buy!"

Even though every single one of the platforms claim to be using cutting edge tech for targeted ads but all of them suck. I don't see them improving even if you give them a guided tour of your home including closets

More info - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14755498

Re:Facebook Is Working on a Video Chat Device by bitJericho on Tuesday August 01, 2017 @04:33PM (#14905026)
I love ads that are targeted to me personally!
Re:Facebook Is Working on a Video Chat Device by Para2016 on Tuesday August 01, 2017 @05:27PM (#14905518)
It might be interesting to have AR product advertising. Using your phone's camera and scanning your house/apartment perhaps you see a TV you are interested in buying hanging on your wall. Or a cool new car in your driveway. Maybe they could even be interactive and you could open the hood/trunk/doors etc.
Re:Facebook Is Working on a Video Chat Device by krapp on Tuesday August 01, 2017 @07:27PM (#14906464)
I feel like the value in AR lies more in knowing where the user is, in proximity to what, and trying to draw them somewhere than necessarily showing them virtual overlays of items already in that physical space.

In other words, you use your phone's camera to do whatever, and the phone notices you linger at a window or a billboard (by tracking your eye movements and retinal responses.) You get home, and suggested items are virtually added to your living room.

Maybe you walk past a clothing store and it adds a new suit to your reflection.

Or AR games that require you to move past physical ads or storefronts, and take pictures of them.

Re:Facebook Is Working on a Video Chat Device by na85 on Tuesday August 01, 2017 @06:37PM (#14906110)
That sounds like a hellish dystopia.
Re:Facebook Is Working on a Video Chat Device by Para2016 on Tuesday August 01, 2017 @07:11PM (#14906345)
Probably not as dystopian as the pornography industry is going to get with AR, VR, dolls, etc.

There can be good utility for ads without being dystopian. Like furniture sets you want buy to preview in your new empty apartment - not items you are totally uninterested in buying. I'm sure there will be countless ideas to get ads on AR pretty soon that will be unaggressive and jive well psychologically

Re:Facebook Is Working on a Video Chat Device by krapp on Tuesday August 01, 2017 @07:32PM (#14906492)
The day you can point your AR goggles at your SO and turn them into the anime/fandom/porn character of your choice, is the day AR porn gets its killer app.
Re:Facebook Is Working on a Video Chat Device by groby_b on Tuesday August 01, 2017 @07:59PM (#14906652)
It's also the day the doll industry blows up (no pun intended) - because if you need AR to be turned on by your SO, there'll be a lot of separations.
Re:Facebook Is Working on a Video Chat Device by bitJericho on Wednesday August 02, 2017 @11:19AM (#14911218)
ya but at least ar can put whatever you want over the doll!
Re:Facebook Is Working on a Video Chat Device by morley on Tuesday August 01, 2017 @02:28PM (#14903796)
Cisco charges an arm and a leg for its videoconferencing devices, which are basically fancy versions of this. I'm okay with Facebook trying out a cheaper version for the average consumer. If they fail, it's their money; if they succeed and the product is game-changing, the world more or less gets better.

(I realize this is where people bring up 1984 which I think is just cynically off-topic.)

Re:Facebook Is Working on a Video Chat Device by dragonwriter on Tuesday August 01, 2017 @02:39PM (#14903909)
> Cisco charges an arm and a leg for its videoconferencing devices

Sure, and the—unstated, admittedly—presumption was that FB was targeting consumer not enterprise use. I understand why enterprise videoconferencing systems exist.

> I'm okay with Facebook trying out a cheaper version for the average consumer.

I'm okay with them pursuing it. I'm just asking what the need is it serves.

Re:Facebook Is Working on a Video Chat Device by adventured on Tuesday August 01, 2017 @06:02PM (#14905802)
That's pretty straight-forward.

Facebook views its mission as connecting people.

Other tech companies are heavily investing into hardware for the home including communications, along with various in-house services relating to AI, including Microsoft, Google, Sony, Amazon and Apple. That category will continue to rapidly expand, the products and services will get more and more powerful/capable. That hardware, such as the Echo, is a direct threat to Facebook's social monopoly, specifically because these devices will keep getting more powerful and keep reaching for nearby functions to assimilate. Those nearby functions will include numerous social & media aspects (two of Facebook's foundations now are images and video).

Why did Facebook aggressively target chat apps (WhatsApp, FB messenger) & photo apps (Instagram)? Because they were nearby functions to their core social product. It was very, very well understood that Instagram had the potential to expand into Facebook's territory, using images as the beachhead. Facebook is guaranteed to be concerned about the same concept at play with the devices being deployed into people's homes that are basically AI footholds. Today? No, today does not matter in that sense; this is all about the next 5, 10, 20 years and what these in-home devices will be capable of and what people will use them for.

Re:Facebook Is Working on a Video Chat Device by jacquesm on Tuesday August 01, 2017 @06:04PM (#14905824)
> Facebook views its mission as connecting people.

No, Facebooks mission is to collect demographic data in as much detail as possible and to use that to sell ads.

Connecting people is a sideshow to all of this.

Re:Facebook Is Working on a Video Chat Device by adventured on Tuesday August 01, 2017 @06:10PM (#14905883)
> No, Facebooks mission is to collect demographic data in as much detail as possible and to use that to sell ads.

I never said it was their business model. You're confusing two separate aspects of what they do. They're directly related, they're not the same thing.

Facebook's mission is to connect people. That's what enables their business model. The former came before the latter, by necessity. They had a lot of connected users before they had a business model. But hey, try building a $500 billion social network business, before you start connecting up the users, see how it works out.

Re:Facebook Is Working on a Video Chat Device by jacquesm on Tuesday August 01, 2017 @06:16PM (#14905934)
> But hey, try building a $500 billion social network business, before you start connecting up the users, see how it works out.

Guess what, I did. We reached about a million monthly active users at some point which was quite the high point, but still that's a drop in the bucket compared to where the web is today. Still, back then 100K active users per day put us well in the top 500 of all websites.

Needless to say I fell a bit short of the mark of making a $500B company but we really were trying to connect people and video chat was exactly the medium that we used. And no, we did not build up user profiles to track their behavior, not because we could not but because we felt that was not right.

So instead, we charged for the service and eventually it went under.

Personally I will not use any of these services unless I pay for them and my data is not retained or mined. Zuckerberg is the last person on the planet I would trust with my data.

That's also why I use plain old SMS rather than whatsapp and email or IRC rather than Gmail or Google hangouts or similar.

Re:Facebook Is Working on a Video Chat Device by GuiA on Tuesday August 01, 2017 @07:32PM (#14906493)
The organizations whom Cisco sells these expensive devices to also tend to have bandwidth several orders of magnitude above what the average consumer has at home.
Re:Facebook Is Working on a Video Chat Device by wedaugtwo on Wednesday August 02, 2017 @03:52AM (#14908701)
When I was working in a different city and separated from my family and friends for months at a time, I always thought it would be cool to have this always-on video chat device that wouldn't really be used for direct chatting, but more like leaving the door open so if we're bored, we can just "bump" into each other.

It's strange, but you sometimes miss the "mundane" parts of life. Especially if you are on assignment for several months, there might not be much to say day after day, but just having some company is a nice feeling.

I can also see how it would be helpful for remote teams. If these devices were just on all the time and team members could peer into what others were doing or listen in on spontaneous jokes.

Of course I know there are ways to do this now with existing solutions, but it's more of a hassle to get it setup and also to automatically reconnect if there are network problems.

Re:Facebook Is Working on a Video Chat Device by lin_lin on Wednesday August 02, 2017 @08:51AM (#14910089)
> I can also see how it would be helpful for remote teams.

We had this arrangement once. A cube of four of us, had a big always-on tele-screen dialled into our remote team (four guys in another city). Fun at first but then we had to mute it (the background noise in both directions was very distracting, annoying to other employees). So we ended up in a farcical scenario of having it always on but relying on waving at the camera to get someone's attention, or IMing them, to unmute :)

Re:Facebook Is Working on a Video Chat Device by jimmykramer on Tuesday August 01, 2017 @04:46PM (#14905146)
I think it's so we can create more plastic pollution when the device is obsolete after 6 months.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/07/ocean-plastic-pat...

Re:Facebook Is Working on a Video Chat Device by Qworg on Tuesday August 01, 2017 @03:26PM (#14904411)
Re:Facebook Is Working on a Video Chat Device by williamscales on Tuesday August 01, 2017 @02:28PM (#14903800)
You don't need one. But I bet you that someone who doesn't know much better and has a general love of consuming things could be convinced that if they don't get one, they will be missing out on all the fun things their friends are doing.
Re:Facebook Is Working on a Video Chat Device by paul6987 on Tuesday August 01, 2017 @06:03PM (#14905818)
Why would you want to buy an AI speaker vs. just using your iPad, Mac or iPhone.

OH wait in that instance because Siri's AI is horrid.

Re:Facebook Is Working on a Video Chat Device by MBCook on Tuesday August 01, 2017 @07:24PM (#14906444)
Are you trying to suggest that video calling on an Apple device is terrible?

Or are you just kicking at Siri, which isn't relevant here?

Using Apple devices for video call seems to be extremely popular.

Re:Facebook Is Working on a Video Chat Device by paul6987 on Tuesday August 01, 2017 @11:53PM (#14907780)
huh... Facebook is making a smart speaker like Alexa. Hence my Siri comment.

Siri is no good compared to the competition and I use to use her daily from 2011 to 2016.