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Re:Robot cracks open safe live on Def Con's stage by thesmallestcat on Friday July 28, 2017 @11:34PM (#14879333)
Somebody dumb enough to leave a key to their house right next to their house in a city like SF deserves to get burglarized.
Re:Robot cracks open safe live on Def Con's stage by sctb on Saturday July 29, 2017 @11:06AM (#14881556)
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14879325 and marked it off-topic.
Re:Robot cracks open safe live on Def Con's stage by DrScump on Friday July 28, 2017 @11:59PM (#14879398)
Gotta love this attitude, which is widely shared by Bay Area media and law enforcement.

- "You shouldn't have parked there. "

- "You shouldn't have left anything visible in your vehicle."

- "You shouldn't have left anything invisible in the trunk, either."

As for "key right next to house" how else do you propose letting agents show your property to prospective buyers or tenants?

In SF, property crimes don't matter. I once had a road rager shoot at me and blow a window out in my car. SFPD response? "We can't find the round (bullet), so we'll just give you a case number (and no further investigation)."

Edit: typo

Re:Robot cracks open safe live on Def Con's stage by objclxt on Saturday July 29, 2017 @03:25AM (#14880028)
> As for "key right next to house" how else do you propose letting agents show your property to prospective buyers or tenants?

Give the letting agent a key to hold on to? Use an electronic keypad lock? Perhaps in your specific situation those are not feasible, but it’s not like there aren’t alternatives.

Re:Robot cracks open safe live on Def Con's stage by bradgessler on Saturday July 29, 2017 @02:25AM (#14879847)
- "You shouldn't have been driving a car without bullet proof glass"

Yeah, this attitude in the Bay Area has also befuddled me too. Its the victims fault.

Re:Robot cracks open safe live on Def Con's stage by DrScump on Saturday July 29, 2017 @02:44AM (#14879895)
Bear in mind that local governments view property crime as a form of economic stimulus.

You'll be spending money to replace the stolen items, presumably some of that locally, and on repairs, presumably all locally. Meanwhile, whatever money the criminals get back in selling the stolen items (and subsequent profits by their fences) will also presumably be spent locally.

Re:Robot cracks open safe live on Def Con's stage by TheSpiceIsLife on Saturday July 29, 2017 @06:23AM (#14880492)
I mildly subscribe to this believe too, however it's more likely the police in (highly populated?) areas don't have the time / budget to thoroughly investigate everything.

Properly crime + little evidence = contact you're insurer thanks have a nice day.

Re:Robot cracks open safe live on Def Con's stage by DrScump on Saturday July 29, 2017 @08:00PM (#14883641)

  little evidence
No evidence collected != little evidence present.

I bet pretty much every thief leaves fingerprints now; police haven't taken prints for pure property crimes in years. (In contrast, SJPD did take prints for a car break-in in 1986).

Every week, you hear of a neighborhood getting hit by a gang, with 30+ vehicles affected -- total losses well into the felony range.

A gang could be shut down in a month if bait cars with GPS-tracked bags were used. Same with front-porch package thefts (always rampant).

Re:Robot cracks open safe live on Def Con's stage by Houshalter on Saturday July 29, 2017 @04:51AM (#14880291)
A literal broken window fallacy example. Amazing.
Re:Robot cracks open safe live on Def Con's stage by joombaga on Saturday July 29, 2017 @12:30PM (#14881924)
It's not quite as fallacious. The negligent window breaker does not profit from the broken window.
Re:Robot cracks open safe live on Def Con's stage by closeparen on Sunday July 30, 2017 @01:58PM (#14887052)
It is the policy of San Francisco to annoy and harass car owners into switching to bicycling and public transit. Why would the city undermine its own policy goals by going after people who help deter driving and car ownership? It would make more sense to pay the people who smash car windows than it would to lock them up.
Re:Robot cracks open safe live on Def Con's stage by Spivak on Saturday July 29, 2017 @12:56AM (#14879560)
What do you expect them to do? It wasn't someone you know, it wasn't someone who has a personal motive to kill you, and they don't have any way of determining the owner of the gun.

Would you want to bother investing the case where someone in SF shot at a car and no-one was injured.

Also, give the agent a key and/or get a key box with a pass code and give that to the agent. There really is no excuse to hide a key on the property these days.

Re:Robot cracks open safe live on Def Con's stage by Semiapies on Saturday July 29, 2017 @01:21AM (#14879637)
That's a serious pain. :/ Glad you weren't shot, though.

(Is "road eager" auto-correct for something?)

Re:Robot cracks open safe live on Def Con's stage by khedoros1 on Saturday July 29, 2017 @01:28AM (#14879655)
"road-rager", I'd guess.
Re:Robot cracks open safe live on Def Con's stage by DrScump on Saturday July 29, 2017 @01:28AM (#14879661)
road rager, sorry. Specifically, Dodger fans leaving the Giants game.
Re:Robot cracks open safe live on Def Con's stage by maxerickson on Friday July 28, 2017 @11:47PM (#14879370)
What about all the houses with doors that won't stand up to a sledgehammer?

Or unbarred windows.

Re:Robot cracks open safe live on Def Con's stage by thesmallestcat on Friday July 28, 2017 @11:49PM (#14879372)
There's a big difference between forced and unforced entry.
Re:Robot cracks open safe live on Def Con's stage by abelM on Saturday July 29, 2017 @12:00AM (#14879401)
I wonder, what would be the charge in this situation ?
Re:Robot cracks open safe live on Def Con's stage by vnchr on Saturday July 29, 2017 @12:05AM (#14879411)
Brute forced entry
Re:Robot cracks open safe live on Def Con's stage by maxerickson on Saturday July 29, 2017 @12:26AM (#14879466)
Beyond the "un", what's the difference in San Francisco?
Re:Robot cracks open safe live on Def Con's stage by thesmallestcat on Saturday July 29, 2017 @12:27AM (#14879472)
Quite a few burglars only do unforced entries.
Re:Robot cracks open safe live on Def Con's stage by TheSpiceIsLife on Saturday July 29, 2017 @06:28AM (#14880507)
Unforced entry and taking a small number of objects from cupboards / filing cabinets / draws / jewellery boxes could go unnoticed for days or weeks.