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Re:Firefox’s speed with large numbers of tabs leaves Chrome ... by basch on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @12:37PM (#14849182)
tabs combine bookmarks with back and forward buttons. if i open a new tab and want to go "back" I switch tabs. now i have both states saved, which is good for speed and keeping my location on a page. tabs dont do a good job of showing me "how" i got somewhere", especially once I convert them to bookmarks.

to "solve" the tab problem, you need to combine tabs, history, bookmarks, back/forward buttons, pinboard/tags/pagecache into groups that are instantly rearrangable by their proximity to each other: spatially, by topic, or temporally. i should be able to, in one command, show only tabs that are hacker news or originated from hacker news, but maybe something i googled while on one of those pages deserves to be related. now the machine should be making inferences on what goes where, and i give it feedback when it is wrong.

tabs should be more like a wiki document, where as i accumulate more about, say, stagecoaches, or good reads from redef, those metadata relationships to topics and origins are preserved. i should be able to go back and show only bookmarks from only hackernews/redef/longreads combined, and only the ones about stagecoaches.

i know mozilla has shown a demo of something like this, but its a long way from being more useful than tabs, because it neglects the content of the page itself.

Re:Firefox’s speed with large numbers of tabs leaves Chrome ... by vannevar on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @12:53PM (#14849409)
Tabs seem like a poor visualization of your browsing history. A history tree of your last N sites seems like it would be a lot more useful and informative (not to mention compact). Tabs don't show the tree relationship.
Re:Firefox’s speed with large numbers of tabs leaves Chrome ... by yourapostasy on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @01:12PM (#14849616)
> Tabs don't show the tree relationship.

Check out the Firefox Tree Style Tab plug-in [1], is this what you had in mind?

[1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-ta...

Re:Firefox’s speed with large numbers of tabs leaves Chrome ... by glaslong on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @03:55PM (#14851314)
This single extension is most of the reason I use FF as my daily driver. Can't live without it anymore. Being able to build out a tree, rearrange the subtrees, close out whole subtrees at once and have history maintained on each tab has ended up being central to my whole browsing flow.
Re:Firefox’s speed with large numbers of tabs leaves Chrome ... by vannevar on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @01:44PM (#14850038)
Nice!
Re:Firefox’s speed with large numbers of tabs leaves Chrome ... by eitland on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @03:05PM (#14850872)
And this is why FF fans like me refuse to use "toy-browsers" for work.

Chrome might be faster than FF and a Ferrari might be faster than a pickup truck.

But:

FF and the pickup truck is more useful for work IMO

and the Ferrari and Chrome comes with a price I'm not comfortable with.

Re:Firefox’s speed with large numbers of tabs leaves Chrome ... by noblethrasher on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @01:12PM (#14849620)
Re:Firefox’s speed with large numbers of tabs leaves Chrome ... by infogulch on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @01:12PM (#14849609)
True, but right now it's the only way to access it. History itself is useless for this purpose.
Re:Firefox’s speed with large numbers of tabs leaves Chrome ... by seanp2k2 on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @02:53PM (#14850755)
You really need a graph with a timeline / histogram or similar. See my previous comment which has more ideas. I hope someone builds this, but I know that the way to see it happen is to go do it.
Re:Firefox’s speed with large numbers of tabs leaves Chrome ... by seanp2k2 on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @02:51PM (#14850737)
I was trying to get the Chrome team to understand this and implement a bookmark manager which took this into consideration. We have the compute power, the memory, and the understanding to build such a thing. Just a bookmark isn't useful. I want a snapshot of my mental map of how I got there, what it's about (auto summarization), other tabs I had open and their same histories, plus an easy way to pick that back up and dive in from that exact spot. I don't just want a saved session, but a place on a map of knowledge that I can jump back to. Then give me fuzzy search that can match the idea / meaning of something across these saves, so I can find it without remembering the URL or page title. Give me a topical timeline with a graph so I can see when I was thinking about something. The idea of a "bookmark" for a "page" on the web is cute and had a place in history, but we can do a lot better in 2017.
Re:Firefox’s speed with large numbers of tabs leaves Chrome ... by eitland on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @03:01PM (#14850839)
Yes, you are into something. However I think you can forget about getting the 2017 version of google to implement it.

You might have better luck with trying to implement it as an extension to Firefox although the extension API is (at least for now) going to be a shadow of its former self AFAIK.

My tab tree is the closest thing I've come to an effort-less mind-map that works for me. (Effortless as in ctrl-click to open a new sub-tree so I can always see what is related to what and how I found something really hard-to-find-but useful.)

Even though my current setup works well I'm quite sure I or someone else will be able to create something event better in the future.

Re:Firefox’s speed with large numbers of tabs leaves Chrome ... by lh7777 on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @03:37PM (#14851162)
This reminds me of Pathway, a Mac app circa 2006 that visualized your Wikipedia browsing as a mind map.

http://lifehacker.com/203915/download-of-the-day-pathway-mac