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Re:Deauthentication attack and other ‘wifi hacks’ using an E... by wolframio on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @07:54AM (#14847005)
I did a quick search of the forums but didn't find anything related to this. I came across this page on the FCC's site that states deauth attacks and jamming of WiFi are illegal in the US as of January, 2015. They also state the following:

In addition, we reiterate that Federal law prohibits the operation, marketing, or sale of any type of jamming equipment, including devices that interfere with Wi-Fi, cellular, or public safety communications. Detailed information about the prohibition against jamming is available on the Commission’s website at http://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/jammer-enforcement.

If you read the example they gave about a Marriott hotel deauthenticating users it appears the FCC doesn't know the different between that and jamming a signal. Of course they added that catch-all statement that any device that interferes with WiFi communications is illegal. Page 2 of that document states that no commercial establishment is allowed to block WiFi communication but the next paragraph down has the quote I posted above. It would appear that using the deauth feature of the Pineapple is now illegal, unless if I'm misinterpreting this.

Re:Deauthentication attack and other ‘wifi hacks’ using an E... by blackguardx on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @12:12PM (#14848899)
From the FCC's point of view, performing any denial of service attack on a radio channel using either old fashioned jamming or other technological means is illegal. It doesn't have to distinguish between the two because the intent and end result are the same.
Re:Deauthentication attack and other ‘wifi hacks’ using an E... by seanp2k2 on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @03:00PM (#14850829)
What about using bandwidth to the extent that it degrades performance for other users? Is using 80Mhz for my wifi for my legitimate use-cases in my apartment while copying lots of photos to my NAS and thus using up most of that an attack? It would measurably degrade the performance of nearby wifi, and given a location in an apartment and my naive default power levels of "everything to max" (as most wifi routers operate by default)...

Why is everyone in an apartment who isn't a radio engineer guilty of interference given the broad definition? I know that it's only who they choose to prosecute, but that seems to be the problem with laws like this.

Re:Deauthentication attack and other ‘wifi hacks’ using an E... by blackguardx on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @05:37PM (#14852095)
They aren't guilty of interference. Interference has a strict definition. A device operating in the ISM band by defition can't be interfering with other devices in the ISM band if that bandwidth is being used for communication.

ISM (Industry, Science, and Medical) is a free for all band. It is like a public good. Anyone can make a device that uses those frequencies.

Re:Deauthentication attack and other ‘wifi hacks’ using an E... by wbl on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @04:56PM (#14851792)
Incompetence is different from malice. The FCC should do more to get manufacturers improving WiFi congestion and improving power supply cleanness.
Re:Deauthentication attack and other ‘wifi hacks’ using an E... by samueloph on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @02:09PM (#14850314)
Just a friendly reminder that there's also mdk3[1], which i think is not under active development now but it works.

Also, i'm the maintainer of mdk3 on Debian and if any mdk3's dev is reading this, please have a look at the patches i applied upon it[2] and consider merging upstream, or putting the code on github.

There's also a manpage[3].

[1]https://packages.debian.org/sid/net/mdk3 [2]https://anonscm.debian.org/git/pkg-security/mdk3.git/tree/de... [3]https://anonscm.debian.org/git/pkg-security/mdk3.git/tree/de...

Re:Deauthentication attack and other ‘wifi hacks’ using an E... by blacksmith_tb on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @01:07PM (#14849561)
A while back I remember seeing a less-nuanced ESP8266 wifi jammer, it announces a huge number of APs with random names, making it hard for devices to connect to real networks:

http://ruralhacker.blogspot.pt/2016/01/esp8266-jamming.html

Re:Deauthentication attack and other ‘wifi hacks’ using an E... by gruez on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @02:08PM (#14850300)
>it announces a huge number of APs with random names, making it hard for devices to connect to real networks

How does that even work? I get it will prevent someone from choosing the right network to join, but I can't imagine how it prevents connection if the network is already remembered (ie. autoconnect)

Re:Deauthentication attack and other ‘wifi hacks’ using an E... by mschuster91 on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @03:07PM (#14850888)
It jams the announcement channels, and lots of devices only show the X strongest networks so the autoconnecters which get their listing after said filter don't see the real network at all as a candidate when the jammer is sending strong enough.
Re:Deauthentication attack and other ‘wifi hacks’ using an E... by daveloyall on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @03:17PM (#14850989)
I'm in the market for a cheap device that will detect this and a variety of other such attacks.

Bonus points and bonus money if it can somehow reveal the physical location of the attacking device. Perhaps in the manner of a Geiger counter (some sound or light changes as you approach the attacker).

Re:Deauthentication attack and other ‘wifi hacks’ using an E... by banterfoil on Wednesday July 26, 2017 @01:46PM (#14858379)
Honest question here. Can somebody explain why a device is needed for this? How does this differ from this project? https://github.com/k4m4/kickthemout
Re:Deauthentication attack and other ‘wifi hacks’ using an E... by ram_rattle on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @01:18PM (#14849710)
Again, already known project appearing in front page again
Re:Deauthentication attack and other ‘wifi hacks’ using an E... by confounded on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @02:01PM (#14850220)
Not known to me, I'm glad it was posted!
Re:Deauthentication attack and other ‘wifi hacks’ using an E... by stronglikedan on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @04:23PM (#14851522)
Every project is already known by someone.