> The blue shell is only annoying for try-hard ultra-competitive weenies

Nah, the ultra-competitive weenies know there is a glitch such that if you mushroom the instant before the blue shell hits you, you can escape it (at least on the Wii version of the game).

It isn't a glitch, that's an intended way of escaping it.

Hmm, there is a competitive MK scene, though. It's nothing compared to, say, Smash, but then racing in general is not an eSport with the level of exposure/prestige as strategy, FPS, or fighting games, it seems.

Exactly, this game require no skill for winning, and player not balanced, with the blue shell it's even easier for none skilled, btw I always win, I don't care.

Wow, so much condemnation. All's I figure, some people like it, some people don't.

The "No items, Fox only, Final Destination" mentality kills all fun.

It's not that it kills the fun. It's that it changes the game parameters so much that it become a different game.

Edit: Which is fair when you take into consideration that the game came out in 2001 and people have been playing it for the last 16 years.

Perceiving other people's preferences as killing the fun kills the fun.

> Fox only

Fox may be considered the best character, but I've seen Capt. Falcon, Marth, Shiek, Peach at Evo this year.

> Final Destination

Kirby's Dreamland, Battlefield, Fountain of Dreams, and Pokemon Stadium are all valid tournament stages, among others.

The only "truth" to the meme with regards to the strictest of Evo matches is "no items". Because becoming INVINCIBLE for a set period of time, or automatically gaining back 100% of your life completely breaks the game. And no one seems to be able to differentiate between "fair" and "unfair" items.

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> "No items, Fox only, Final Destination"

This mentality simply doesn't exist anywhere. The most competitive of Smash Melee players have a set of rules that are far more intricate.

I swear, it's just like in the old days of Counterstrike, where every weenie would go "no AWP! And no camping!", and storm off in a huff if you played the game as it was made.

Clearly it doesn't kill the fun for the people that play that way (and I know you're expressing a meme, but competitive smash is much more than fox only, FD).

What kills fun are people who want to play a game together but have entirely different expectations and are unwilling to try it the other way.

Seriously fox dittos are way better on other stages besides FD, the chain grab is entirely too easy.

People who prefer their racing games more competitive wish that the most popular racing game was more competitive - but the reason Mario Kart is more popular than the serious simulation-type racing games is precisely because it's less competitive than those games.

Wishing other people liked the games you like is reasonable (though futile), but wishing the games other people like were more like the games you like is putting the cart before the horse.