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Re:Claude Shannon: How a Genius Thinks, Works, and Lives by pmarreck on Friday July 21, 2017 @02:04PM (#14822559)
> but it seems true.

It's definitely true. Here's a proof (?):

1) The universe has a static (if high) and objective number of rational facts that can be stated about it.

2) Anyone can discover these facts via accident, intuition, trial-and-error, experimentation or direct observation.

3) We have a smallish but more or less constant percentage of people who are obsessed with discovering these various facts as their life's work and who are gradually teasing out these facts from the mountain of mystery that lies before us.

4) Therefore, if Shannon hadn't discovered some of these facts, eventually someone else would have.

Re:Claude Shannon: How a Genius Thinks, Works, and Lives by jacksnipe on Friday July 21, 2017 @02:24PM (#14822713)
I would contest step 1.

If we assume that rational means "true", then it is clearly false:

If statements A and B are true, then the statement "A and B" is true. In fact, if the statement A is true, then "A and A" is true, so if there is at least one true statement, there are infinitely many.

If by "rational" you mean "true and meaningful", well, then we have to define meaningful.

The strongest definition of meaningful that I can muster is "contains information that cannot be logically deduced from previously known rational statements". But then by Godel incompleteness (assuming that we accept arithmetic as rational), there will always be a (true) statement we can make that is independent of our previous statements.

So while I think the discovery was more or less inevitable, there's certainly a flaw in your proof!

Re:Claude Shannon: How a Genius Thinks, Works, and Lives by pmarreck on Monday July 24, 2017 @10:28AM (#14838714)
"A and A" is not a meaningful statement, though; it's a tautology, no? if you exclude those, what do you have?
Re:Claude Shannon: How a Genius Thinks, Works, and Lives by jacksnipe on Monday July 24, 2017 @10:44AM (#14838813)
It's not a tautology, because its truth relies on the truth of A. A true tautology would be something like "A or not A".

However, I address your concerns in the second part of my comment, as "A and A" is derivable from "A", and so is excluded.

Re:Claude Shannon: How a Genius Thinks, Works, and Lives by TeMPOraL on Friday July 21, 2017 @02:07PM (#14822586)
5) Where 'eventually' means months to years at most. Not sure about Shannon, but to the extent I'm familiar with discoveries in physics, they're usually pretty incremental - at some point the state of the field becomes ripe for a breakthrough, and the first person to connect the dots is the one that gets credited as genius, even though their direct contribution is pretty small.
Re:Claude Shannon: How a Genius Thinks, Works, and Lives by pmarreck on Friday July 21, 2017 @02:13PM (#14822635)
Everyone stands on the shoulders of giants, where that giant is composed of everyone who stood on the shoulders of the previous giants, ad recursionum
Re:Claude Shannon: How a Genius Thinks, Works, and Lives by ksk on Friday July 21, 2017 @02:38PM (#14822816)
Someone discovering something or inventing something is a rare event. I believe its the confluence of hard-work, timing, luck, good health, inspiration from peers' work, etc. Its even more unlikely that TWO people would be in that exact same situation. Maybe they're 'destined' to be the person whose name gets mentioned in the textbooks.