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Re:Employees Who Stay in Companies Longer Than Two Years Get... by pc86 on Monday July 17, 2017 @09:12AM (#14788146)
Well if you're paying half a dozen people below market, that's sort of to be expected, isn't it?

Management knows the market rate for a given role. Let's say a good-not-great senior developer (as in give them a code base and a quiet room and you've got substantive code on day 1 or 2) commands $100k cash comp to make the math easy. You take the job for 10% below market for whatever those reasons happen to be. Maybe your last job was only $95k but this one has a much better vacation/retirement package.

If you go to your boss after 6-12 months of being a good senior dev and a good employee (meaning all the admin nonsense that comes along with being an employee - meetings, timely communication, generally not being an asshole, etc) and say that market rate is $100k, you're getting paid $90k, and you'd like $100-105k, they know that's a fair ask. Whether they are willing and/or able to actually pay you that ask is another thing.

My point being that there's nothing "terroristic" about asking for what you're worth. You can do it without a competing offer, but often times a competing offer is the easiest way to get something close to a market rate number.

Re:Employees Who Stay in Companies Longer Than Two Years Get... by mamon on Monday July 17, 2017 @09:24AM (#14788246)
Who said anything about paying below market?

Illusory superiority[1] is a real issue - about 70% of people think they are above average, so they keep demanding above-market salaries.

Plus, as I mentioned in my previous post, other employers have harder time evaluating person's skills through interviews than a company that currently employs them. So they offer above-average salary to your average employees and by the time they realize that they overpaid for their skills it usually is too late, so they keep them on payroll anyway - that's basically how IT salary bubble works, most of the time :) (at least that's how it works in Poland, I don't know a thing about US job market)

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_superiority

Re:Employees Who Stay in Companies Longer Than Two Years Get... by UK-AL on Monday July 17, 2017 @09:32AM (#14788307)
It's not a illusion if they can get it.
Re:Employees Who Stay in Companies Longer Than Two Years Get... by kazagistar on Monday July 17, 2017 @10:48AM (#14788932)
So what you are saying is that they can get and retain a higher salary elsewhere, but that isn't what they are worth? Sounds like the market is disagreeing with your price evaluation, and the market is more right then you are.
Re:Employees Who Stay in Companies Longer Than Two Years Get... by matwood on Monday July 17, 2017 @11:51AM (#14789646)
The whole point of showing up with an offer is so that the market is known, and to avoid any delusions of grandeur.
Re:Employees Who Stay in Companies Longer Than Two Years Get... by mamon on Monday July 17, 2017 @01:36PM (#14790675)
I honestly don't know what's the point of mentioning an offer to your current employer. If you have a better offer - take it, don't let me hold your career back, good luck, no hard feelings on my side.

From my experience the reason why employees who have another offer even bother to mention it to their current boss, asking for counter, is because that other offer has some serious downside that prevents them from just accepting it right away.

Anyway, I can probably replace you with someone that will gladly take your current salary. And if I can't and end up paying your replacement the money you demanded (or more) at least I'll be paying that to the guy who is happy to work for me, not to someone who is already actively looking for other jobs.