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Re:Wolfram Alpha Is Making It Extremely Easy for Students to... by roumenguha on Friday July 07, 2017 @11:36AM (#14719182)
To add another point, my A-Level teacher always said anything the calculator can do, you can do, and just as fast.

And then she chose a question from the book, had one of us start typing, and she started at the board solving the same thing.

She finished first. Not by much, and obviously the calculator is the faster choice more often, but she finished first.

Re:Wolfram Alpha Is Making It Extremely Easy for Students to... by scarmig on Friday July 07, 2017 @12:05PM (#14719490)
Reminds me of the story of Feynman vs the Abacus. [1]

Though, as a story, the conclusion he draws is pretty self-congratulatory and bothers me a bit. The substrate on which you implement an algorithm like arithmetic doesn't really speak to whether you "know numbers." It's like the high schooler thinking being very good at computing integrals makes you good at math.

[1] http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~elf/abacus/feynman.html

Re:Wolfram Alpha Is Making It Extremely Easy for Students to... by posterboy on Friday July 07, 2017 @01:53PM (#14720475)
Being powerful, ie good in something, is a function of Work over Time, so if you are good without much effort, that implies some sort of talent I think.
Re:Wolfram Alpha Is Making It Extremely Easy for Students to... by cgoughnour on Friday July 07, 2017 @01:13PM (#14720080)
Well, she certainly proved that there's at least one problem whose solution she can sometimes produce faster unaided than at least one high school student with a calculator.
Re:Wolfram Alpha Is Making It Extremely Easy for Students to... by adamnemecek on Friday July 07, 2017 @11:43AM (#14719251)
> She finished first. Not by much, and obviously the calculator is the faster choice more often, but she finished first.

This is more of an interface problem I believe.

Re:Wolfram Alpha Is Making It Extremely Easy for Students to... by WorldMaker on Friday July 07, 2017 @11:58AM (#14719414)
It's a low level magic trick: she chose the problem. Even supposing she didn't have the answer memorized, she knew exactly what to min/max to favor herself in the challenge.

(A real magician would also work to make sure that the kids thought they chose the problem, but the choice had already been primed for them.)

Re:Wolfram Alpha Is Making It Extremely Easy for Students to... by FeepingCreature on Friday July 07, 2017 @11:40AM (#14719223)
That says more about the book than about calculators. :)
Re:Wolfram Alpha Is Making It Extremely Easy for Students to... by mikeash on Friday July 07, 2017 @12:43PM (#14719822)
That's going to depend heavily on the problem in question. Multiplying large numbers? Probably. Computing the fifth root of pi to eight decimal places? Probably not so much. (Maybe there's some quick way to do that second one mentally, substitute something different if so.)
Re:Wolfram Alpha Is Making It Extremely Easy for Students to... by HillaryBriss on Friday July 07, 2017 @12:04PM (#14719483)
sounds like she proved that she could do it just as fast as a calculator. good thing i wasn't in that class. i would have proved her wrong: i couldn't out compute the calculator.

then again, they wouldn't have let me in that class in the first place.

Re:Wolfram Alpha Is Making It Extremely Easy for Students to... by tree_of_item on Friday July 07, 2017 @12:06PM (#14719501)
> my A-Level teacher always said anything the calculator can do, you can do, and just as fast.

This is obviously false, and I don't really understand the point of saying this.

Plus, the benefit of using a computer is that computation is effortless, letting you use more of your brainpower on actually interesting problems rather than something that is easily automated.