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Re:Hackers Are Targeting Nuclear Facilities, Homeland Securi... by narrator on Thursday July 06, 2017 @10:09PM (#14715515)
Whenever I see (nytimes.com) after a URL I know that there's some big long bill that's been sitting in a drawer somewhere that's going to suddenly get pulled out of that drawer and will be voted on next week and this is just setting the stage for it.
Re:Hackers Are Targeting Nuclear Facilities, Homeland Securi... by BoiledCabbage on Thursday July 06, 2017 @11:57PM (#14715917)
You're implying that most articles on nytimes are written to preemtively lay support for future bills? That seems like a pretty strong statement that'd need at list a hint of evidence with it.

Has this been a pattern? Do you have examples? Are there stories that the nytimes covers that other papers don't cover that suddenly become bills? What inspired this?

Your post comes across as a lot of innuendo without providing any support... at all.

Re:Hackers Are Targeting Nuclear Facilities, Homeland Securi... by beachbum8029 on Friday July 07, 2017 @12:16PM (#14719579)
Go to bed, ny times reporter.
Re:Hackers Are Targeting Nuclear Facilities, Homeland Securi... by weq on Friday July 07, 2017 @03:56AM (#14716824)
Exactly.

hackers? since may? ie. when all the shadow_brokers exploits were released that any script-kiddy could point and click at a box and pwn it..?

the article implies these are nation state actors trying todo harm. a BS article trying to push a political agenda.

Re:Hackers Are Targeting Nuclear Facilities, Homeland Securi... by pgwhalen on Thursday July 06, 2017 @10:50PM (#14715672)
Interesting, can you point to previous examples of this phenomenon? Would love to see the correlation.
Re:Hackers Are Targeting Nuclear Facilities, Homeland Securi... by CodeWriter23 on Thursday July 06, 2017 @11:05PM (#14715721)
The most obvious would be The Patriot Act, some 342 pages presented to Congress just 6 days after 9/11.
Re:Hackers Are Targeting Nuclear Facilities, Homeland Securi... by aaronbrethorst on Friday July 07, 2017 @12:00AM (#14715936)
Only one example from 16 years ago?
Re:Hackers Are Targeting Nuclear Facilities, Homeland Securi... by mirkules on Friday July 07, 2017 @12:55AM (#14716174)
Trying to look around, it's actually pretty difficult to support or disprove this retroactively. For one, NYT's archive is kind of behind a paywall. My searches only net me some NYT blog entries usually not related to anything of relevance.

Secondly, even if I were to find an article that is related to some piece of legislation, it would only be speculative and wouldn't prove that it is a "hit piece" in support for or against it.

Thirdly, off the top of my head, I can only think of a few things: SOPA from January 2012, Patriot Act (as mentioned earlier), the iPhone/FBI encryption fiasco (which did not result in any legislation yet, afaik), Net Neutrality, and Snowden/Wikileaks stuff (again, did not result in legislation afaik).

More examples are always welcome, but as I said, it is really tricky to speculate on the existence of a conspiracy based on a few articles and some hindsight - you really open yourself to confirmation bias, subconsciously. And for the record, I'd love to prove this is true.

Re:Hackers Are Targeting Nuclear Facilities, Homeland Securi... by fatbird on Friday July 07, 2017 @01:23AM (#14716271)
You're missing the obvious point, which is that anything to do with federal legislation is likely already a newsworthy topic, moreso because of pending legislation to address it. Finding NYT stories preceding legislation passing is almost a perfect example of correlation not equalling causation. Even a consistent pattern of (NYT story, legislation passes) demonstrates nothing about whether the NYT story is a planted bit of propaganda to ease passage of the bill.
Re:Hackers Are Targeting Nuclear Facilities, Homeland Securi... by mirkules on Friday July 07, 2017 @07:46PM (#14723165)
I believe the original assertion is that there is a non-obvious connection between a newsworthy article and a piece of legislation, and that the article is planted to sway public/congress opinion a certain way.

As I said, this kind of thing is extremely difficult to prove without a smoking gun (e.g. an email from the head of state to the head of NYT instructing them what to publish, when or why). And, as both you and I agree, it is impossible to prove without equating correlation/causation or having confirmation bias in retrospect.

Re:Hackers Are Targeting Nuclear Facilities, Homeland Securi... by CodeWriter23 on Friday July 07, 2017 @01:59AM (#14716393)
I'm a strong believer in "seek your own information". Consider it a starter kit.
Re:Hackers Are Targeting Nuclear Facilities, Homeland Securi... by weq on Friday July 07, 2017 @04:04AM (#14716847)
You dont really believe major news outlets are impartial and only report the truth, right? Although most of the time its what is NOT reported on that is the biggest threat.

and i dont need any examples to prove my point other then, read some history and get educated.

Re:Hackers Are Targeting Nuclear Facilities, Homeland Securi... by jonathanstrange on Friday July 07, 2017 @05:07AM (#14717075)
Not the OP here, but I'd like to point out the obvious:

1. No news outlet is impartial, neither major nor fringe outlets. (Most fringe outlets are more partial, though.)

2. Major news outlets mostly report the truth and correct errors when they are discovered.

> read some history and get educated

I always ask critiques of major news outlets to suggest alternative news sources and they either come up with nothing or evidently ridiculous suggestions such as blogs, conspiracy sites, and fringe right-wing or left-wing news aggregators that barely employ journalists, let alone a network of correspondents.

The best way to keep yourself informed is to compare different major news outlets, and if they agree on a story, then it's most likely true, because there is only one reality. It's really as simple as that.

Re:Hackers Are Targeting Nuclear Facilities, Homeland Securi... by CuriousSkeptic on Friday July 07, 2017 @09:25AM (#14718115)
Speaking of news oulets. John Oliver had a rather eye opening piece about local news oulets in USA and centralized ownership. (Not that USA is unique in this aspect, but interesting non the less)

https://youtu.be/GvtNyOzGogc

Re:Hackers Are Targeting Nuclear Facilities, Homeland Securi... by tree_of_item on Thursday July 06, 2017 @11:02PM (#14715709)
When has this happened previously? I'm not sure what you're implying.
Re:Hackers Are Targeting Nuclear Facilities, Homeland Securi... by 1001101 on Thursday July 06, 2017 @11:36PM (#14715839)
... or it's the eve of the first Trump/Putin meeting at the G20.
Re:Hackers Are Targeting Nuclear Facilities, Homeland Securi... by late2part on Thursday July 06, 2017 @10:42PM (#14715630)
Thanks for posting this. Reminding us of correlations like this is important. Sometimes we can't see the forest for the trees. Thank you.
Re:Hackers Are Targeting Nuclear Facilities, Homeland Securi... by awad on Friday July 07, 2017 @02:45AM (#14716561)
What sites do you trust?